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PixInsight => Release Information => Topic started by: Juan Conejero on 2012 August 11 07:08:27
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Hi everybody,
I am glad to announce that we are now close to the release of a new version: PixInsight Core 1.8.0 "Ripley".
Ellen Ripley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Ripley) is a warrant officer aboard the spaceship Nostromo in the 1979 science fiction film Alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29), directed by Ridley Scott. As was the case with the previous version 1.7 "Starbuck" (http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=3028.0), the new codename has been suggested by Fernando Ballesteros, a researcher at the Astronomical Observatory of the University of Valencia, Spain. When Fernando suggested us a list of possible codenames, I liked "Ripley" because it represents well the courage and endurance that a new version of PixInsight will need to represent our excellence-driven concept of astrophotography.
PixInsight 1.8 was initially due for release before the end of July. Mainly due to the complexity of new implemented features, and also to the need to test them exhaustively without working under excessive pressure, we have decided to delay its release until September November. However, since most of the new features and tools are now finished, I'll be posting information about them on this forum board during the incoming days and weeks. So stay tuned while we bring you the latest and the greatest from Ripley! ;)
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So what's the code name for Maxim? Face hugger? :-)
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::)
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Sander
How about the 'monster from the id' for Maxim from the Forbidden Planet one of my favourite films.
Regards
Julian
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Hello Juan
Any update in the date of the official release ?
Cheers
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It should be in the second half of october, or the firs days of november.
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Hi Philippe,
As Carlos has said, finishing this version is much more difficult than I anticipated. I am working very hard on it but we need more time to release it with all the new features and changes well implemented and tested. We are delaying the release of PixInsight 1.8 until the first half of November.
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Thank you and good luck for your hard work :-*
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It will be ready when it's ready. The current PI is excellent so really it is immaterial to me when 1.8 comes out. Don't burn yourself out trying to shove this out the door.
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It will be ready when it's ready. The current PI is excellent so really it is immaterial to me when 1.8 comes out. Don't burn yourself out trying to shove this out the door.
+1
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It will be ready when it's ready. The current PI is excellent so really it is immaterial to me when 1.8 comes out. Don't burn yourself out trying to shove this out the door.
I would second that.
Regards
Julian
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Hi Juan
I thought you had learnt that its best not to give a PI timeline as it always bites you in the old backside :-*
But I look forward to our Christmas pressie of 1.8 ( there gives you a bit more time to play with >:D)
Harry
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Just one question-PI 1.8 is available as global update or will need a complete reinstall?
Sincerely, Pavel.
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Hi Pavel,
Version 1.8 will require a complete reinstallation on all platforms.
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Then the second question - will force my commercial license to use PixInsight 1.8?
Sincerely, Pavel.
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Hi Sander, Andrés, Julian, Harry, and all,
Thank you so much for your support. If only all users (potential and current) had the same vision... Unfortunately, things are not so easy for me. PI has to compete hard with other products, and this is a very small market. PI has to evolve or die, it's just that simple. And now we have to move fast.
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Then the second question - will force my commercial license to use PixInsight 1.8?
As all PixInsight users, including commercial and trial licenses, you'll have full and completely free access to version 1.8 for all supported platforms. This is what our EULA says, and you can read the same also in FAQ 2.13:
http://pixinsight.com/faq/
When we release the next version, you won't need to do anything with your license at all; just uninstall version 1.7 and install 1.8.
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Everything just perfect-I was, is and will be with PixInsight! :D :D :D
Sincerely, Pavel.
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I would like to echo the sentiment expressed by the others in this thread. I am a massive fan of PixInsight.
I was very entrenched in another program(won't mention any names, but it starts with P, too ;)) and a friend of mine kept using PI, so when I went over his place to help him, I had to learn PI. I then bought a copy myself and do everything I can in PI. I still have a few tricks to learn, so when the release is ready, I might be too.
Great program, keep up the great work! :D :D
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Any new features/improvements you may want to talk about besides the ones you've already mentioned? (file explorer, etc)
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As Juan told me, there are major news for PCL developers... just wait :) PI 1.8 is around the corner.
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As Juan told me, there are major news for PCL developers... just wait :) PI 1.8 is around the corner.
Some new programming language optimized for all things image processing... Juan++ or something....
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XD
No, just PCL 2.0, with new threading capabilities, and major changes in the way images are handled. Also it will be released as open source.
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... Also it will be released as open source.
I have some questions about this:
What are the intended purposes of PCL being Open Source?
- is it just open source (meaning you can read the source, but you cannot use it for other (closed source/commercial) products, such as MySql http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/index.html), or Open Source as in http://opensource.org/docs/osd (meaning that you release the source and have no restrictions on its use)?
- Will it be possible (technically and legally) to use PCL without PixInsight (for instance with some other image processing software)?
- Is the intention to be able to use PCL with GPLed software - without disclosing the source of PI?
- Is the intention to encourage other developers to contribute to PCL?
Georg
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- is it just open source (meaning you can read the source, but you cannot use it for other (closed source/commercial) products, such as MySql http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/index.html), or Open Source as in http://opensource.org/docs/osd (meaning that you release the source and have no restrictions on its use)?
No restrictions at all. The PCL license (http://pixinsight.com/license/PCL_PJSR_1.0.html) allows you to develop open and closed source, free and commercial products with PCL. As long as you respect the four conditions in the PCL license, you are free to release your PCL-based product under any license of your choice.
- Will it be possible (technically and legally) to use PCL without PixInsight (for instance with some other image processing software)?
PCL requires a running PixInsight Core application for most of its image processing functionality (even more in version 2.0), and it is obviously necessary for all module-related and GUI functionality. However you can link the PCL static library with an application and, as long as you don't use any functionality requiring the low-level API, it should work. In fact, we use PCL in some code maintenance command-line utilities, and the three auxiliary applications that implement PI's update system are also linked to PCL in this way. The PCL license is no legal obstacle.
- Is the intention to be able to use PCL with GPLed software - without disclosing the source of PI?
I really am not sure. Since the PixInsight Core application is proprietary / closed source, and PCL depends on it, you probably cannot use anything infected with GPL in a PixInsight module, even if you release your source code. However this is a complex case, and the opinion of somebody with legal knowledge (and experience in software licensing issues) would be very welcome. For example, there is no problem with GPLed software on Windows. But of course, Windows is extremely important for the FSF while a project like PI simply does not exist.
- Is the intention to encourage other developers to contribute to PCL?
Absolutely! This is one of my *main* intentions :)
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As all PixInsight users, including commercial and trial licenses, you'll have full and completely free access to version 1.8 for all supported platforms. This is what our EULA says, and you can read the same also in FAQ 2.13:
http://pixinsight.com/faq/
When we release the next version, you won't need to do anything with your license at all; just uninstall version 1.7 and install 1.8.
Commercial users have access to all software updates for PixInsight version 1.x at no charge.
I'm about to buy Pixinsight license but have one doubt regarding what I read above.
Does this mean that when new 2.0 version comes out then all previous 1.x license owners are unable to update free and need to buy new 2.x?
What is your plan regarding Pixinsight future development?
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I'm about to buy Pixinsight license but have one doubt regarding what I read above.
Does this mean that when new 2.0 version comes out then all previous 1.x license owners are unable to update free and need to buy new 2.x?
What is your plan regarding Pixinsight future development?
From my understanding, you get free upgrades within a major release (free upgrades within 1.x, and when 2.x comes out there will be free upgrades within the 2.x series -- assuming they follow the same license). There will be an upgrade fee from 1.x to 2.x, and I believe it will depend on how old the 1.x license is. For example, if you just bought a 1.7 license and tomorrow they came out with 2.0, there would be a nominal upgrade fee, if however you had started with a 1.0 license, then you would have to pay more. -- Again this is what I understand of the licensing agreement.
Now from my standpoint, I will have no problem paying for the upgrade from 1.x to 2.x. I think of it in terms of the cost of other astronomy equipment that I have purchased. I have eyepieces that have cost more then the license for PixInsight. The filters for my camera easily cost more then a PixInsight license. I view PixInsight as being a part of the equipment needed for doing astrophotography. I also view that the folks behind PixInsight have done an excellent job of support. They stand behind their product, they have provided many many new features within the 1.x series.
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I'm about to buy Pixinsight license but have one doubt regarding what I read above.
Does this mean that when new 2.0 version comes out then all previous 1.x license owners are unable to update free and need to buy new 2.x?
What is your plan regarding Pixinsight future development?
From my understanding, you get free upgrades within a major release (free upgrades within 1.x, and when 2.x comes out there will be free upgrades within the 2.x series -- assuming they follow the same license). There will be an upgrade fee from 1.x to 2.x, and I believe it will depend on how old the 1.x license is. For example, if you just bought a 1.7 license and tomorrow they came out with 2.0, there would be a nominal upgrade fee, if however you had started with a 1.0 license, then you would have to pay more. -- Again this is what I understand of the licensing agreement.
Now from my standpoint, I will have no problem paying for the upgrade from 1.x to 2.x. I think of it in terms of the cost of other astronomy equipment that I have purchased. I have eyepieces that have cost more then the license for PixInsight. The filters for my camera easily cost more then a PixInsight license. I view PixInsight as being a part of the equipment needed for doing astrophotography. I also view that the folks behind PixInsight have done an excellent job of support. They stand behind their product, they have provided many many new features within the 1.x series.
Thanks, we're playing just with assumptions though. What do developers say?
What plans do you have for major update?
Numbers run out soon with this update pace ;)
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Numbers run out soon with this update pace ;)
I don't know if the numbers are running so fast. These are the release dates of the main versions of PixInsight:
- 1.1.0: 2008-04-18
- 1.2.0: 2008-07-17
- 1.3.0: 2008-11-16
- 1.4.0: 2008-12-08
- 1.5.0: 2009-05-13
- 1.6.0: 2010-04-08
- 1.7.0: 2011-05-30
The numbers ran very fast at the beginning (2008), but in the last two years the numbering has slowed a lot.
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The 1.8.x cycle will start in a few days (or couple of weeks) and most probably will last 6 months or a bit more. I don't believe that the 1.9.x cycle will be any shorter, so the major change to 2.0.x won't happen at least in a year, most probably at the middle of 2014.
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most probably at the middle of 2014.
Kuulapaa, this is a long time to enjoy PixInsight 1.x !
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Since this is a recurring question, I have added two new entries to our FAQ page: 2.20 and 2.21. The official FAQ is here:
http://pixinsight.com/faq/
I hope this clarifies our licensing policy. Please feel free to ask anything else you want to know about our licenses.
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I just have to read carefully the following:" We provide support and updates at no additional cost (included with all commercial licenses)."(http://pixinsight.com/buy/index.html (http://pixinsight.com/buy/index.html))
I think everything is clear and so! ;)
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Since this is a recurring question, I have added two new entries to our FAQ page: 2.20 and 2.21. The official FAQ is here:
http://pixinsight.com/faq/
I hope this clarifies our licensing policy. Please feel free to ask anything else you want to know about our licenses.
Excellent, thank you Juan for information.
It's important to be aware how things roll when major updates are happen. One can of course make assumptions but more one makes them more often one gets things figured wrong. Assumptions, mother of all...
I really enjoy the great tools provided in Pixinsight and feel I get better results than with other software I have used. Looking forward 1.8 :)
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Hi everybody,
I am glad to announce that we are now close to the release of a new version: PixInsight Core 1.8.0 "Ripley".
Ellen Ripley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Ripley) is a warrant officer aboard the spaceship Nostromo in the 1979 science fiction film Alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29), directed by Ridley Scott. As was the case with the previous version 1.7 "Starbuck" (http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=3028.0), the new codename has been suggested by Fernando Ballesteros, a researcher at the Astronomical Observatory of the University of Valencia, Spain. When Fernando suggested us a list of possible codenames, I liked "Ripley" because it represents well the courage and endurance that a new version of PixInsight will need to represent our excellence-driven concept of astrophotography.
PixInsight 1.8 was initially due for release before the end of July. Mainly due to the complexity of new implemented features, and also to the need to test them exhaustively without working under excessive pressure, we have decided to delay its release until September November. However, since most of the new features and tools are now finished, I'll be posting information about them on this forum board during the incoming days and weeks. So stay tuned while we bring you the latest and the greatest from Ripley! ;)
Juan -
Is there any news on the release of Ripley?
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As far as I know, the new PCL 2.0 was almost ready (there were a couple of classes missing a week ago). Then, everything needs to be recompiled with the new libraries, and make some changes to the processes to make them compatible and take full advantage of the new features. The core application seems to be also in the final stages of the beta cycle (developers only). As always, "deadlines" with Juan are kind of diffuse... but I'm confident that Ripley will be out there before Xmas. :D
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Hi all,
I'd say we have a 98% or so of the work done now. I hope we'll have it ready for release before December 20.
Basically, these are the most important pending tasks:
- Complete the final PCL 2.0 version. I am working on it right now.
- Fix a few pending bugs in the PI Core application, mainly some minor bugs in the projects system.
- Complete planned improvements for the ATrousWaveletTransform and MultiscaleMedianTransform tools (real-time preview stuff).
- Port the entire platform to FreeBSD, Mac OS X and Windows. As you know PI is primarily developed on Linux.
- Fix a couple of pending bugs on Mac OS X (mainly the bugs related to opening images directly from Finder).
- Prepare installation packages on all platforms.
1.8 Ripley is probably the most ambitious version of PixInsight we have released ever. I have rewritten basically the entire PCL and about a 40% of the core application, including almost all of the low-level API that communicates with external modules. This is indeed a huge amount of work.
This version has one 'problem' though: most changes are only visible to developers. End users won't see a lot of new stuff, besides the new File Explorer window, the all-new Script Editor (which again is mainly for developers), many improvements in the graphical interface (but no 'wow' new features), a general speed improvement, and small (but important) changes in many tools. We could say that 1.8 Ripley is a 're-foundation' version. From the end user perspective, the truly important changes will come in 2013, where we'll see many new tools and development lines. Version 1.8 is a necessary step to make all of that possible.
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You have to take timing information from Juan with a grain of salt. He works so fast that he is in a relativistic time/space compared to us. His time doesn't flow at the same speed as here.
This is not a joke: look at his picture - he doesn't age !
-- bitli ;)
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This version has one 'problem' though: most changes are only visible to developers. End users won't see a lot of new stuff, besides the new File Explorer window, the all-new Script Editor (which again is mainly for developers), many improvements in the graphical interface (but no 'wow' new features), a general speed improvement, and small (but important) changes in many tools. We could say that 1.8 Ripley is a 're-foundation' version. From the end user perspective, the truly important changes will come in 2013, where we'll see many new tools and development lines. Version 1.8 is a necessary step to make all of that possible.
So... layers will not be available yet in 1.8?
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...This version has one 'problem' though: most changes are only visible to developers. End users won't see a lot of new stuff, ...
As a software developer, I know what you are talking about: It is usually a nightmare for the product marketing department. But it is necessary every now-and-then to ensure efficient development in the future, and to prepare for state-of-the-art new features. You just have to find the right balance - those marketing guys usually (believe to) know for what features customers are willing to pay, and that is not an unimportant aspect of a developers work as well...
I already have a module in making that should benefit a lot from what I can see in the preliminary PCL2.0 documentation on http://pixinsight.com/developer/pcl/doc/html/ . Keep up the good work ... and give me a new toy for Christmas :angel:
Georg
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As a software developer..
As someone who manages software developers >:D , is it possible for PI 1.7.x and 1.8 to co-exist on the same machine, i.e. two separate installations? With such fundamental re-engineering of the internals I could well imagine wanting to keep existing projects in progress under 1.7 whilst easing my way in to 1.8 for new ones.
Not saying that there will be bugs (perish the thought, I know all my developers write perfect code first time every time, it's easy ;D), but I'd guess the potential for subtle differences in results between versions definitely exists.
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is it possible for PI 1.7.x and 1.8 to co-exist on the same machine, i.e. two separate installations?
That's easy on FreeBSD, Linux and Mac OS X. On Windows it can be more problematic, since both applications would install on the same Start menu items, so one would rewrite the other. The solution is easy but requires a bit of a hack: Install 1.7, rename the application folder, install 1.8, and make a direct access to the 1.7 executable. PixInsight does not use the Windows registry, so there should be no problems.
I always write absolutely perfect code first time every time, so there will be absolutely perfect bugs since the first release ;D
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Thanks Juan, I use Win 7 so easy enough to rename the existing installation and duplicate the start menu shortcuts, etc. before installing 1.8. Safety first in my book. I was just concerned that there might be common registry entries or conflicting DLLs or other such Windows stupidity to scupper that plan. Guess your bug tracking software must get as little use as ours does ;)
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Any word on our 'Christmas Present"?
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Any word on our 'Christmas Present"?
merry christmas!!!
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Hooray! And Happy Holidays to all!
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Re Image solver , can anyone confirm if the 1.8 RC1 update has killed the image solver script , the search seems not to work now and changing the preferences ie pixel size , focal length is not always saved.
Regards Cub
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Re Image solver , can anyone confirm if the 1.8 RC1 update has killed the image solver script , the search seems not to work now and changing the preferences ie pixel size , focal length is not always saved.
I haven't tried it yet. I am currently on holidays without access to a "real" computer. After year's end I will test ImageSolver and AnnotateImage and fix everything broken.
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Are there any actual release notes for 1.8 RC1? What's new??
Max
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Looks and feels the same , gues we might have to wait till January for the totally "bug free" version
Cub
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I always write absolutely perfect code first time every time, so there will be absolutely perfect bugs since the first release ;D
Juan,
did you agree with Linus about that:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds#2007
milosz
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Why has the update been removed from https://pixinsight.com/dist/ ?
I installed the new version yesterday and it seems to work fine...
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year!
Albert
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Hi could you try the image solver script please , the search option does not allow any input , the previous version you could enter the target ie M51, etc
also when you change the parameters , say focal length pixel sizel it does not always remember them.
Cub
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Hi could you try the image solver script please , the search option does not allow any input , the previous version you could enter the target ie M51, etc
also when you change the parameters , say focal length pixel sizel it does not always remember them.
Please, read this:
http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=4524.msg34515#msg34515 (http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=4524.msg34515#msg34515)
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Yep
Read it ... please could you try the image solver. just need to know if its my configuration
Cub
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Yep
Read it ... please could you try the image solver. just need to know if its my configuration
As I said in that message, I am not at home and I will not have a computer (only an IPad) until January the 2nd.
The version 1.8RC1 is only a release candidate and IMHO it is clearly not ready for being the recommended version. If you need to use the script, I think that you should return to the version 1.7.
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Sorry Andres , I thought it was another post... I'm just keen to find someone else that has installed the update and confirm my issue. afterall you may not have anything to fix ;-)
Cub
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I did not try the release of 1.8 due to an email saying it was very buggy. When will there be an official" bug free" release and is it going to be a complete instal rather than an upgrade?
Thanks. :D
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Juan is compiling the RC2 version. If nothing wrong happens, we may have it available the next days.
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Juan is compiling the RC2 version. If nothing wrong happens, we may have it available the next days.
Christ; this man does never rest!!! :o
Luckily for us >:D
PI always a pleasure!
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He has a very comfortable cell. Even with a chair.
Dungeons are not what they used to be...
;)
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Wonderful news, I am expecting to install to play with it.
Lluís Romero.
[url]www.astrosirius.org
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/66966766@N05/
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Hi
I just installed new version on win7-32 host.
Yes, I know that 32bit is obsolete, but all worked well until I received message about some new updates (dll modules).
I agreed with installation, but after restart I receive an error message and I lost 3 processes, one of those very important: image registration.
I had to go back to default first install.
In attach 3 incompatible modules from update message.
What's wrong?
Regards
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Hi,
Are you using version 1.8.0 RC1? If so, please install version 1.8.0 RC3, which we have released (http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=5126.0) a few days ago. We have released these updates for 32-bit Windows, and AFAIK they work correctly.
Let me know if this solves the problem.
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OK! Everything works well.
It was my own mistake :sad:
I downloaded RC3 few days ago but installed RC1 again....
Many thanks
Lucio
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Hello
Last night I instaled PI 1.8 RC3.
Until now every thing seems ok.
Several processes seem to be a lot faster than before (win 7 64bit).
Thanks for the huge effort.
Regards
Geert
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I installed the latest version yesterday and then installed all the upgrades it recommended - it claims to be version 1.08.00.0963, and I think it has a memory leak in the registration process.
I am building a 3 panel mosaic, with about 1250 images per panel, and I started 3 instances of PI running because the registration processes doesn't seem to be very parallel, and I have enough cores and memory (and not enough patience :-) to run multiple registrations at once.
It was running fine when I went to bed, but this morning, instead of being done they are all almost frozen -- occasionally it shows some activity on the console, but it is very slow, and each of the process has grown to about 12.5GB, and they are each using about 1/2 of 1 CPU core.
I saw this once before, but didn't report it here, so it seems to be reproducible, although it takes a while to make happen.
I've attached a directory listing sorted by date/time. You can see the time between images growing.
Bret
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Some questions:
1) Is there an estimated date for the full release of 1.8 ? (hard to follow this long thread without clear announcements)
2) Is the rumor I heard true that 1.8 will not support XP 32bit machines?
Thanks,
-Jeff
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The 32b thing is not a rumor. It has been announced here.
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The 32b thing is not a rumor. It has been announced here.
In http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=4401.0 to be precise
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Thanks :)