Author Topic: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff  (Read 790 times)

Offline joelshort

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In my normal practice I do 98% of my processing in PI, save the final image as a 16bit tiff and open it in Photoshop for final tweaks.  I am working on an image and for some reason the tiff image opened in Photoshop looks a little different than the same tiff image opened in PI.  In the PS version the colors  are a little washed out and "faded".  But the same tiff image open in PI displays vibrant colors, the exact same as the xisf version. I've been careful to save the xisf as a 16bit tiff so it opens properly in PS.

I do this with every one of my images and I've never noticed this difference before, but it's very obvious on this particular image.  How do I make sure that the image displays the same in both PI and PS?
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #1 on: 2019 August 19 14:58:58 »
When I've had this experience, it is because the ICC profile is mismatched--or some aspect of it is mismatched. It's a real brain twister to get those two to present the same colors/brightness on the same image. Check if you are embedding the profile in the file saved from PI, and that PS is honoring that profile.
To be honest, I've largely given up trying to get those two to agree on anything other than sRGB. (Also check that the monitor profiles agree.)
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #2 on: 2019 August 19 15:57:20 »
But that's the thing, I have never noticed this before with potentially hundreds of other images. 
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #3 on: 2019 August 22 05:30:01 »
But that's the thing, I have never noticed this before with potentially hundreds of other images.
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #4 on: 2019 August 22 05:36:19 »
Well here's something...
In Pixinsight I created a copy of the original image and assigned the Adobe RGB 1998 profile to it.  Immediately the copy brightened and the colors were a little more saturated.  I then opened the COPY in Photoshop and just like the original image the copy faded a bit and the colors were not as saturated, however now it looked pretty much exactly like the original image with the sRGB profile.

I still don't get why this happens with this image and I've never noticed it before.   
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #5 on: 2019 August 23 03:05:12 »
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In Pixinsight I created a copy of the original image and assigned the Adobe RGB 1998 profile to it.  Immediately the copy brightened and the colors were a little more saturated.

If that happens, then your monitor is not being characterized correctly by the ICC profile currently selected as Monitor Profile in ColorManagementSetup. Three important questions/considerations:

- What monitor are you using (brand, model)?

- Which ICC profile have you selected as Monitor Profile in ColorManagementSetup?

- Which ICC profile have you selected as the monitor profile in the other application?
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #6 on: 2019 August 23 04:21:45 »
Correction: When you say 'assigned the Adobe RGB 1998 profile', do you mean the AssignICCProfile tool, or the ICCProfileTransformation tool?

If you have just assigned the profile, then the change in visual appearance is normal behavior. If you have transformed pixel values, then there should be no perceptible visual change with a wide gamut profile such as Adobe RGB, as long as your monitor profile is well characterized.

At any rate, the key factor here is the ICC profile that you have assigned to your monitor in both applications. If it is different, then there is no way both applications can provide the same screen renditions. If they are the same but the profile does not characterize your monitor correctly, then there is no way to achieve consistent color reproduction.
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Re: Display differences between PI xisf/tiff and Photoshop tiff
« Reply #7 on: 2019 August 23 05:41:03 »

If that happens, then your monitor is not being characterized correctly by the ICC profile currently selected as Monitor Profile in ColorManagementSetup. Three important questions/considerations:

- What monitor are you using (brand, model)?

- Which ICC profile have you selected as Monitor Profile in ColorManagementSetup?

- Which ICC profile have you selected as the monitor profile in the other application?

The monitor is an HP 23F LED FHD monitor. 
The monitor profile in PixInsight is set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1
The monitor profile in Photoshop is set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Correction: When you say 'assigned the Adobe RGB 1998 profile', do you mean the AssignICCProfile tool, or the ICCProfileTransformation tool?

I used the AssignICCProfile tool.  So it appears my low end monitor may be the problem here, but again I have not noticed this display difference before when processing hundreds of other images.  I'm going to write this off as a "one time" problem and see what happens on the next image. 
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