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Offline georg.viehoever

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #15 on: 2012 August 09 01:51:32 »
...Incredible ! How could you tell ?...
That's because I ran into this issue myself, see http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=1606.msg9193#msg9193 and http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=2132.msg14021#msg14021. The problems of StarAlignment with wide fields also have been discussed again and again (just search for StarAlignment and wide field).

I am working to improve that in the short term. The keyword is: quads (instead of triangles) ;)

I am not sure if this will help. I know that Astrometry.net http://nova.astrometry.net/ is using quads and can handle amazing amounts of distortion. But to be able to properly align those images, homographies (linear transforms) or reasonably stiff bilinear transforms may not be enough. I wondered if tiling images and aligning the tiles might help, but I never tried.

Regarding wide field drift images, it may be enough to know the central declination of the images to adjust for the projective distortion (see http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=2132.msg14021#msg14021). For other wide fields, SA probably has to learn something about map projections.

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #16 on: 2012 August 09 02:09:08 »
Hi Eddy,

I'm quite sure SA can align your images. Could you upload a set of at least three of them (including one of the problematic ones) so I can take a look?

I'm sure SA can do this and that is only my lack of experience that is preventing me from doing this.
I will upload a few images. Do I do that via dropbox or can I use the server I read about in some other topics ? Endor ?

Eddy

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #17 on: 2012 August 09 02:56:19 »
Hi Georg,

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I am not sure if this will help.

It will improve PixInsight's image registration capabilities considerably. As you know well, we currently have a serious limitation in StarAlignment due to the use of triangle similarity for the star matching routine. This basically limits SA's capabilities to affine transformations, plus a small amount of global distortion thanks to the implemented optimization techniques. The use of quad descriptors will allow us to handle projective transformations (homographies).

Note that it is just the kind of device used to feed the pattern matching algorithm what changes; the rest of StarAlignment remains the same. Since quads can be characterized with only two coordinates, we can reuse the whole pattern matching routine exactly as it is now. Instead of working in a triangle space (where the coordinates are the relations between triangle sides), we work with pairs of quad local coordinates. We continue working in a two-dimensional space.

I don't know if the new SA tool will be able to align all the problematic wide field images that we have seen here; it probably won't, since a homography cannot model arbitrary local distortions. However, the new tool will be much more flexible and will lead to much more accurate results under difficult conditions.
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #18 on: 2012 August 09 03:00:13 »
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I will upload a few images. Do I do that via dropbox or can I use the server I read about in some other topics ? Endor?

The Ewoks will care of your files well. Do you have an Endor account? If not, you can request one by emailing us.
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #19 on: 2012 August 15 23:07:28 »
Juan,

I posted the files on the Endor server. If you find the time I would really like to know how SA can stack the images.

Eddy

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #20 on: 2012 August 20 06:41:40 »
this kind of tut I looking for, very good one
congrat