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Offline troypiggo

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BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« on: 2012 June 10 18:56:00 »
I know of quite a few people who have bought PixInsight, but only use it for one or two specific features, such as the gradient removal tools, or merging mosaics. The common reasons/excuses given for not using it for their full processing workflow seem to be "there isn't sufficient documentation", "I tried it, but calibrating and stacking images was so tedious, I just want to click a few buttons and have my images stacked", and "I don't want to have to learn a whole new platform."

So I thought I'd write a little tutorial that will hopefully help ease those concerns. I decided a good subject to achieve that would be a howto on using and writing a BatchPreprocessing (BPP) template script, with lots of screenshots to make it easier for those who don't like books without pictures.

Here is the tutorial.

I haven't written too many tutorials, so any critique or improvements will be appreciated and incorporated. I hope at least someone finds it useful. I know this simple little script saves me a lot of clicks and navigating every time I process a new target.

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #1 on: 2012 June 10 22:21:46 »
Had a look and as a noob it made perfect sense to me. Well done.
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #2 on: 2012 June 19 04:44:18 »
Well done tutorial! Thanks!
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #3 on: 2012 July 02 08:16:03 »
Nice one Troy. As you say, it cuts down on the number of mouse clicks.
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #4 on: 2012 August 06 10:52:50 »
Is there a way to make the process skip an image if it cannot find enough matching pairs ? After about 90 images out of 189 the process tried 23 times to find matching pairs.
I had to abort manually and start all over again.

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #5 on: 2012 August 06 20:54:05 »
G'day Eddy,

This is probably more of a question directly related to the BPP script itself.  This tutorial was just a way of having it remember things between sessions.

I'd ask your question here in the BPP script thread directly.

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #6 on: 2012 August 07 19:26:28 »
"there isn't sufficient documentation"

Which is a load of BS as we all know... There's more documentation than they can swallow. The real issue is:

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"I don't want to have to learn a whole new platform."

I can only picture those people in the not-very-distant past devouring tons of crappy tutorials about a software not built with astrophotography in mind, trying to find about countless workarounds and "tricks", asking endless questions in forums and such, all just to get their images to look like "something"....

Now they don't want to "learn"... They don't have "time"...

Does anyone feel bad for these souls? Because I used to but not anymore....

Sorry about the ranting, one of those days, you know...  >:D


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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #7 on: 2012 August 07 21:10:28 »
No arguments from me, Rogelio :)  I'm gradually chipping away at a few mates who have PI but only use it for one or 2 features, not the whole workflow.  Admittedly, one of them is using a WinXP (32bit) OS and it has some issues there, another has an underpowered computer (doesn't meet PI's min sys requirements), although there are ways of managing both of those issues.

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #8 on: 2012 August 08 07:22:29 »
I totally agree with Rogelio.

There is a enormous amount of information and tutorials available, if one is willing to look.
You just need to make time to sort it all out. But that is a challenge I'm willing to take.
And when I see the results of using Harry's tutorials, and for the moment, blindly following his parameters, it only encourages me to learn more and try more.

Eddy

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #9 on: 2012 August 08 07:31:30 »
The docs that Juan has written, like the image integration one, is a wealth of knowledge.  It's more like a textbook than an application's documentation.  Masterful.

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #10 on: 2012 August 08 12:59:22 »
Hi, I'm still having trouble registering more than 18 frames. After a few frames the process has more and more trouble finding matching pairs of stars.
I took a screen shot.
I use the standard parameters as described in the BPP tutorial.
What could I be doing wrong ?

Eddy

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #11 on: 2012 August 08 13:13:53 »
Hi, I'm still having trouble registering more than 18 frames. After a few frames the process has more and more trouble finding matching pairs of stars.
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Eddie,
is this a (more or less unguided) wide field? If yes, you are running into issues because StarAlignment cannot handle the projection and lens distortions well.
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #12 on: 2012 August 08 23:46:36 »
Georg,

Incredible ! How could you tell ?
Yes, this image is with a 200mm canon lens, and unguided. I also used drift alignment only on the RA axis. And I dithered manually, and perhaps a bit too much, in order to eliminate banding
When I only use 10 frames or so, BPP performs extremely well and without the banding !
Last night I read a thread that one does not have to expect PI to make an incredible image out of " crappy" data.  Mea Culpa !
But since DSS can handle these images, I suppose I could tweak some parameters here and there to make the best out of my stack ?
I tried to use Linear fit instead of winsorized sigma and change the sliders a little bit. At first that seemed to work but then again it failed.
Is there a way to score my images ? So I can only use the best ones ?

Next time I will try to produce a better stack by guiding and aligning.

Eddy

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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #13 on: 2012 August 09 00:54:52 »
Hi Eddy,

I'm quite sure SA can align your images. Could you upload a set of at least three of them (including one of the problematic ones) so I can take a look?
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Re: BatchPreprocessing template creation tutorial
« Reply #14 on: 2012 August 09 00:58:28 »
... you are running into issues because StarAlignment cannot handle the projection and lens distortions well.

I am working to improve that in the short term. The keyword is: quads (instead of triangles) ;)
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