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Title: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 22 12:33:54
Any info on PixInsight with OS X Mavericks? Has it been tested? Is it better? Worse? The same?
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Sean on 2013 October 22 12:40:20
Right, inquiring minds would like to know!

I'm in the middle of a big processing project in PI right now, and think I should probably hold off on my FREE Mavericks upgrade until it's done, just in case.

Sean
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 23 06:55:55
On my early 2009 iMac Mavericks and PI have shown no issues. I haven't done much yet but things appear the same so far.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Josh Lake on 2013 October 23 07:41:35
I have been using the developer GM for two weeks and had a couple of PI crashes, I think related to either network activity or waking up from sleep.

I updated to the real thing yesterday (should be identical, but who knows) and will reserve judgement until (or if) I get another crash. If I do get one, I'll certainly post log details for Juan's benefit.

In general, PI is working just fine under Mavericks. I just don't know if the crashes are PI related or not.

All that said, Mavericks is a quick and great upgrade!
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Yanick B on 2013 October 23 12:10:46
Hi,
I have upgraded to Mavericks yesterday. At first, no visible problems with PI. However, I am currently going through a integration and the OS will systematically crash when integrating a 30 images calibrated, debarred, registered images from a Canon t3i. I am runing PI on a 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Mid-2009, 15 inches MacBook pro equipped with 8 GB of ram and a home made fusion drive. Never had any issues beforeƩ. This hardware is the same for the last year or so. The memory settings I use for Integration a buffer size of 84MB (optimized for my camera file size) with a stack size of 6072 (optimized with my machine ram). The t3i makes files that are 3456 x 5184, typical cry file is 25MB and typical debarred FIT is 216.3 MB.
Any idea what is causing these crash?
Yanick
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 23 12:19:04
Can you describe to symptoms of the crash? Error messages? Do you have to reboot?

Also, as a trouble shooting step I would eliminate the fusion drive. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has inserted hairballs into Mavericks to block homemade fusion drives. Besides you may get better PI performance to keep your fusion drive separate and just dedicate the SSD to PI cache.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Yanick B on 2013 October 23 14:45:32
Hi,
By crash I mean a complete computer freeze. Nothing works. Mouse does not move. To kernel panic, no error message. Had to hold the power switch to reboot.
Some development: I was able to avoid the computer freeze by reducing the stack size to 4096. Do you think this freeze has to do with the new memory compression feature in Mavericks? And by using smaller stack size, you force the memory to stay active, preventing it's compression? During the process nothing else runs so at 6072, there is still room out of the 8 GB. However, it crashes. Only by reducing to 4096 it prevents.
Please let me know if you need me to test any scenarios or if you need additional log files.
Yanick
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 23 15:12:26
Of course anything is possible, but my understanding of the memory compression is that it should not apply to active applications. I will try to reproduce your settings on my machine and see what happens.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Yanick B on 2013 October 23 15:16:33
One last info that came about:
Even with 4096 stack size, if I attach an external monitor, it freezes.
Yanick
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: pfile on 2013 October 23 15:21:33
this is bad news, i'll bet it's a bug in mavericks regarding all this fancy memory managment stuff. i am going to hold off. i rarely install x.0 releases of apple stuff anyway.

rob
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 23 15:32:10
I can't reproduce with your settings. By the way the console only reported using 3177 pixel stacks for 2485MB so maybe 6072 is excessive anyway. Our hardware is similar including camera (I use a 50D). I am still suspicious about your homemade fusion drive.

Normally I agree with Rob and I don't rush to upgrade but for some reason I took the plunge this time. Of course if nobody did then these things would never get figured out.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: pfile on 2013 October 23 15:36:31
believe me i've been tempted! the siren song of free is calling!!

seems like on every machine i have, there is some software package or other that's at risk of not working anymore under mavericks, so i'm idling.

rob
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 23 15:38:57
I'd still like to hear from Juan or the other big guns as to whether they have done any pre-release testing.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: pfile on 2013 October 23 16:10:18
fair enough - juan has been really scarce lately though. hope he sees this and gets to load mavericks onto one of his machines.

rob
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Josh Lake on 2013 October 23 17:36:44
Rob... DO IT, DO IT, DO IT!

 >:D

Seriously, if you are accustomed to working with Projects for important processing runs, you'll be fine. The Mavericks upgrade was a snap and has already made my machine better. What apps apart from PI are you worried about?
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: pfile on 2013 October 23 18:49:11
this stupid logitech security camera software... it's already iffy on 10.8.

it's not that i'm worried about crashiness, it's something fundamental like "can't open a file" or something like that. some people are reporting problems like that.

rob
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 23 19:29:28
For what it's worth I've had zero problems. Of course it's only been 24 hours and I haven't had time to do much heavy lifting.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: marekc on 2013 October 23 23:13:35
Oh man, now I really feel like a caveman  :P

My home computer (the one I use PI on the most) is a MacBook Pro purchased in spring 2009, and it still runs Snow Leopard. Heck, I'm still running PI 1.7 on it! Haven't gotten around to Mountain Lion or PI 1.8 yet, even.

(Although I have installed ML and PI 1.8 on two computers at work that I occasionally use for PI.)

- Marek
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: rockyraccoon on 2013 October 24 22:40:11
I find that since I have upgraded to OSX 10.9, PI always defaults to my ~/Documents folder when I go to Open or Save a new file.
Really annoying, but not crippling..
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: NGC7789 on 2013 October 25 04:50:38
If you tick the "Remember File Open file type" option in the File I/O Settings I think it fixes this problem. Not intuitive but I think it works.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Josh Lake on 2013 October 25 09:41:07
Oh man, now I really feel like a caveman  :P

My home computer (the one I use PI on the most) is a MacBook Pro purchased in spring 2009, and it still runs Snow Leopard. Heck, I'm still running PI 1.7 on it! Haven't gotten around to Mountain Lion or PI 1.8 yet, even.

(Although I have installed ML and PI 1.8 on two computers at work that I occasionally use for PI.)


Marek, I've read about a number of people that so loved Snow Leopard that they skipped both Lion and ML. But those that are upgrading all the way from SL to Mavericks are finding it better and snappier. So Mavericks is basically the upgrade that Snow Leopard was to Leopard, Tiger, and the rest. A big one, and good.

I *have* noticed an issue that I'm not sure is entirely PI related. When I go to open an image in PI, there is a longish pause before the directory's contents are shown, almost like it's taking some time to index the files.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: chris.bailey on 2013 October 25 10:00:48
I have been giving Mavericks a pretty heavy workout today on my 2011 iMac and it has not as much as sneezed. I wouldn't say performance is better or worse and the upgrades are a bit yeh but at least it appears to be PI friendly.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: pfile on 2013 October 25 10:54:27

Marek, I've read about a number of people that so loved Snow Leopard that they skipped both Lion and ML. But those that are upgrading all the way from SL to Mavericks are finding it better and snappier. So Mavericks is basically the upgrade that Snow Leopard was to Leopard, Tiger, and the rest. A big one, and good.


by the way, if you are interested in operating systems and the like, the ars technica review of 10.9 is really interesting.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/

rob
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: marekc on 2013 October 25 14:41:49
I had been using Snow Leopard for a long time, when I got a new MBP at work, with Lion on it. The main thing that (at first) freaked me out about Lion and Mountain Lion was the lack of Spaces and Expose. I can't live without Spaces!

Fortunately, I found a 3rd-party solution, which gave me back my Spaces:

http://totalspaces.binaryage.com

Looks like it's been updated for Mavericks.

I need to get around to updating my home machine to Mountain Lion, at least, and PI 1.8.

- Marek
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: Josh Lake on 2013 October 25 15:00:24
Don't you still have the spaces in Mav or the Lions if you want them? Granted, they're just linear, but do they not do something that the 2-d spaces do? I used to love and use space on SL, but I found myself easily living without them when I upgraded.

But yeah, TotalSpaces is most likely great, I love their sister product, TotalFinder. Cut and paste, folders on top, dual sided browsing, good stuff.
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: marekc on 2013 October 25 15:13:26
You're right, Lion and ML have a sort of side-by-side version of Spaces. For some reason, my brain just couldn't cope with that - I needed a 3x3 grid of Spaces.

I think I'd gotten pretty seriously hooked on Spaces when I was working on my Swinburne degree. I used Space #1 (upper left) for my bibliographic reference management software, Space #4 (middle left) for my PDF-reading software and for writing in LaTeX, Space #5 for my browser, etc...

My brain has been stuck in an `I need a 3x3 grid' mode ever since  :-[

Pixinsight lives in Space #3, BTW. I can't imagine PI being anyplace other than the upper-right. Adobe programs live in the middle-right Space... one spot below PI  :tongue:

- Marek
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: pfile on 2013 October 25 15:27:37
yeah, i use totalspaces as well. anyone who uses/d linux (or even Solaris) and used fvwm needs this feature. i have control-shift arrows mapped to change spaces so i can zip around fast.

somehow they changed how spaces worked in lion and i could never get used to it. thank FSM for totalspaces!

rob
Title: Re: OS X Mavericks?
Post by: mads0100 on 2013 November 11 19:01:09
Anyone know how to change the default folder to something else than 'documents'?  I don't get my images there.