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Offline RickS

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Re: Are narrowband and RGB workflows mutually exclusive?
« Reply #15 on: 2015 October 29 00:53:13 »
Hi Jerry,

I've messed around with the NBRGB and AIP scripts and never had much success with them.  Perhaps if I'd tried harder I would have.  These days I like the control I get from treating the luminance and colour separately and can get the end result I want just using basic PI processes.

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Re: Are narrowband and RGB workflows mutually exclusive?
« Reply #16 on: 2015 October 30 12:38:00 »
I have used the HaRGB process with good success, documented in several areas on the net.  By fiddling with percentages on the LRGBCombine, I finally get the colors I want with the clarity and nebulosity of the Ha channel.  I use a copy of the Ha as  luminance.

  *  Process Ha and RGB images through non-linear stretch (DBE, Background Neutral, Color Cal)
  *  I copy the Ha to use as a luminance later; do Deconvolution (if beneficial) and sharpen the Ha luminance, put aside
  *  Extract the channels from the RGB image, discard all but the R
  *  Use the following formula in PixelMath
                 ((HA * Red_Bandwidth) - (R * HA_Bandwidth)) / (Red_Bandwidth - HA_Bandwidth)
                                 HA - HA Image (original, not sharpened one)
                                 Bandwidth of my red filter is 100
                                 R - Extracted red image
                                 Bandwidth of my Ha filter is 6

You can experiment and drop the bandwidth of the red.....I usually use 75.  Make sure you Create New Image - the resulting New Image can look a bit funky, but that is OK.

Next combine the extracted R with this new image to produce a hybrid HaR image, use this formula in PixelMath:

                         R + ((New_Image - Med(New_Image)) * Boosting_Factor)                                                                             

The only variable here is the boosting factor, I use between 4 and 6; the higher the number, the more the Ha contributes to the HaR hybrid.

Use this new hybrid and recombine with your original G and B images to produce the HaRGB.

I then use LRGBCombine to combine this new image with the sharpened Ha I am using as the Luminance.  Experiment with the weights to get the color right.

To combine OIII data, use your OIII and G bandwidths, and the extracted G channel, in place of Ha and R.  Hold off doing the RGBCombine until you have the HaR and OIIIG hybrids, and combine with the blue channel.

This process always works well for me, I don't get the pink salmon appearance in the red channel, or too much green as in a straight HaOIIIB image.

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Re: Are narrowband and RGB workflows mutually exclusive?
« Reply #17 on: 2015 October 30 13:34:49 »
Thanks Joe.  I believe that process is documented by Vicent Peris and I tried that.  I still wasn't happy with the color; I got the pink color.  I think that I was over stretching the luminance (Ha).  Although the Ha luminance looked great, it was overpowering the RGB image.  Soon I will post the final result of all my days of tinkering throuhout this thread...just don't ask me to explain how I ended up where I did because I did so many different processes I can't remember everything.
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Re: Are narrowband and RGB workflows mutually exclusive?
« Reply #18 on: 2015 November 03 14:09:38 »
Yeah, I got it from Light Vortex, but I think it is based on Vincent's tutorial.  What I found was overstretching the luminance (or Ha) can cause color problems.  When using an Ha with RGB data I do not stretch it as much as I would a straight RGB image, and experiment with weights on LRGBCombine or ChannelCombination.

Getting the color to my satisfaction on NB images has been a challenge.

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Re: Are narrowband and RGB workflows mutually exclusive?
« Reply #19 on: 2015 November 03 14:21:11 »
Well here's the final image whose processing prompted all these questions in this thread (and which nearly caused me to go bald  :D). 



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