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Offline mads0100

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Help with a image capture problem?
« on: 2015 February 01 10:03:26 »
First, anyone know what's going on with my camera? I'm getting banding 'sometimes' so it's not something I can fix with flats.  I can't think of a way to correct it using Pixinsight..

Thanks for the help.


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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #1 on: 2015 February 01 10:06:07 »
Did you try with dark frames? Good master dark should remove that.
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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #2 on: 2015 February 01 10:50:34 »
Zocky,

   Agreed.  But it's not consistent.  I can't replicate it every time so I end up with frames where it doesn't exist or it does sometimes :/.


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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #3 on: 2015 February 01 11:12:26 »
It looks exactly like what I had gotten previously. 

I think it had to do with too many cables plugged into my USB hub, but I never really figured it out 100%. 

Adam

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #4 on: 2015 February 01 11:27:07 »
Adam,

    I have it plugged into it's own USB repeater cable. Did yours just go away or did you get a new camera? :)

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #5 on: 2015 February 01 21:23:42 »
A few times it was due to the way the cables were plugged in.  I'm almost certain it had to do with the USB.  Many times, just unplugging it and plugging it back in fixed it.  Most recently, it came on when I added another USB device to the same hub the camera was on. 

I never replaced the camera, but I did replace the USB cable.  I haven't had the issue since then with the exception of adding the new device. 

My camera is an STF-8300m

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #6 on: 2015 February 03 00:02:17 »
With all due respect, I find it hard to understand, how a USB cable could cause this. It's a digital signal, and it should be a lot less fragile than an analog signal. On my old Orion Starshoot Pro, I've seen dropouts, due to lack of USB bandwith, but that shows up as black pixels. Anyways, what do I know about cucumber salads? ;)

I have a similar problem as mads0100's example show, but more like a single wide "line" towards the edge of the image. I live (and image) in an extremely light polluted area, so I think my problem is due to some sort of false light entering the telescope/camera, probably through the gap in the crayford focuser on my refractor. I've seen that happen, when I shoot flats indoors during the day.

Br

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #7 on: 2015 February 03 00:20:31 »
USB cable (and cabling in general) may have much more effect than you think.  They tend to capture the main and other sources of perturbations (the motors, your mobile phone..).  If you have more than one connection (or other grounding of the camera via the fixation), you may also create ground loops. This may affect the camera (especially during reading the CCD which is very sensitive, and probably more so with low end cameras).  Some USB cables may have less than adequate wires for the power/ground, increasing (or decreasing) the effect.  Some contacts may be dirty.

If the banding is not always at the same place, you cannot remove it by darks.

Maybe make sure that there is no ground loop, check if using a cable with a EMF protection (as you may have for your camera) is helping, try to route cables differently, check if this happens also when the mount motors are not running..... 

This are just random ideas, as if this is more and art than a science.

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #8 on: 2015 February 03 01:33:07 »
Looks to me like light getting in where it shouldn’t. So try the following to narrow it down.

Cover the telescope and take a dark frame the same length as your light exposure.

If the pattern has gone, light is getting in through the optics, possibly Moon, street lights etc. Use a hood to reduce stray light hitting the front aperture.

If the pattern remains. Keep cover on scope and cover over the optical path and camera with black material to block out all light from getting onto the sensor.

If the pattern is gone, there must be a gap somewhere in the adapters, focuser, filterwheel, off axis guider, camera etc.

If it’s still there, well I am stumped!

Looking at the pattern I would say the light is getting in fairly close to the sensor.

Mike

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #9 on: 2015 February 03 14:12:25 »
could definitely be electrical noise coupling in thru bad grounding which affects the readout as bitli says.

rob

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #10 on: 2015 February 03 14:26:09 »
Bad grounding is dangerous, devastating in case of lightning...( personal Experience).
Isolate The ccd and switch on One by One the rest.
Check ups dispersion if you use one.
Don't wind up your cables and " close all the loops": emi can induce currents when flowing through a cable ring.

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Offline mads0100

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #11 on: 2015 February 07 12:46:24 »
Awesome ideas guys.  I talked to SBIG (customer service has returned now that they're through the merger... yes!!!), and they're thinking it's related to the USB cable too.  I bought a new cable... just waiting for some clear skies. 

I'll also take into account all of your advice.  Thank you so much for the help guys.  I was starting to pull my hair out over it!

Take care,
Chris

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Re: Help with a image capture problem?
« Reply #12 on: 2015 February 16 10:40:46 »
Sure enough it was a bad active repeater cable.  Replaced and no issues so far with my new data!

Thanks for the help guys,
Chris