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Offline joelshort

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Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« on: 2014 December 16 10:33:36 »
Warning: I'm the newest of newbies as I haven't even purchased PI yet...
Recently I acquired a 9 panel Ha mosaic of the California nebula.  The data itself is pretty good, but as with all mosaics taken over several different nights there will naturally be gradients and differences in background to deal with.  It's maddeningly frustrating to try and put those 9 panels together such that they match.  My current software for doing so is registar and photoshop. 

My question is simple, does PI handle mosaics well?  I understand I will have a steep learning curve once I purchase PI and I don't expect perfection right out of the gate, but I'd like to know that once I get comfortable with the basic work flow of PI that mosaics will come relatively easier that what I'm dealing with now. 

I'm certainly not looking for a long answer of how to do mosaics with PI, but just a general feel from users as to how PI handles mosaics.  It would be especially beneficial to hear from former photoshop users  >:D!
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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #1 on: 2014 December 16 13:19:56 »
Hi and welcome to PixInsight Forum.

My opinion has to be biased for obvious reasons, but I'd say that PixInsight is very good to build mosaics. And it will be even better with new image registration tools that we are currently developing. Other applications may seem easier, but honestly (and I have some experience in the image registration field) our solutions for deep-sky mosaic construction are more accurate and flexible by orders of magnitude.

For small-scale and medium-scale mosaics, use StarAlignment. For large-scale mosaics, use the MosaicByCoordinates script by Andrés del Pozo. In both cases use the GradientMergeMosaic tool by Georg Viehoever to generate a seamless mosaic. Good luck!
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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #2 on: 2014 December 16 17:24:22 »
I just put together the Ha and OIII components of a 6 panel mosaic of the Veil Nebula in PixInsight and despite a number of quality issues with the data (almost no overlap between some panels, inconsistent PA and a few poor quality OIII panels) it went fairly smoothly.  Big thumbs up from me!

A rather garish version of the Ha is in the gallery.  Eye protection recommended before viewing  8) http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=7884.0

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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #3 on: 2014 December 16 18:03:16 »
Thanks Juan and Rick.  Juan, of course you SHOULD be biased.   ;)  So it sounds like PI has all the tools for putting mosaics together.  I just wasn't sure if I'd need some other registration software.  Looks like PI is in my near future.
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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #4 on: 2014 December 16 21:01:13 »
Hi, Joel-
Yes, PI has great tools for mosaics (and most everything else).  But I wouldn't start right off with one before you've gotten pretty well onto the curve.
Here's a humble one I posted here:
http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=6622.msg44847#msg44847
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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #5 on: 2014 December 16 21:12:53 »
Yeah I don't intend to start with a mosaic.  It will be quite a while before I get all the data for the mosaic (3 channel narrowband).  In the meantime I plan to re-process previous images with PI to get used to the software.  I did do a trial last year of PI so I started to learn, but at the time I was too busy to dive into it and let it go.  Hopefully now I'll have more time to devote to learning.
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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #6 on: 2014 December 17 07:02:05 »
Juan,  I have two questions for you regarding mosaics.  In your response you break down which process to use depending on scale.  Can you give a ball park idea of your definition of large scale?

Also, not to put you on the spot, but would you compare PI's registration ability now and when the new tools are available to Registar?  I have friends you swear by it and I continue to come up with reasons (in addition to Mosaic construction) on why they should dip their toes in PixInsight.

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Re: Newbie question about how PI handles mosaics
« Reply #7 on: 2014 December 17 07:54:03 »
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Can you give a ball park idea of your definition of large scale?

From the point of view of a process such as StarAlignment, large scale means that large-scale geometric distortions become difficult to deal with. This may happen with just two mosaic frames or with sixteen frames, depending on image scales and optical distortions. Very large mosaics pose the problem of projecting a sphere on the plane. When the deformations caused by all of these factors become large, a mosaic construction tool based on astrometric solutions and a predefined projection system, such as MosaicByCoordinates, can be much more efficient and accurate. Astrometry-based image registration has the additional advantage that it does not need overlapping, so mosaics can be constructed from disjoint frames. On the other hand, for small-scale mosaics, where global deformations are relatively small, a registration system based on pattern matching and local distortion correction can be more accurate.

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would you compare PI's registration ability...

With very few exceptions, I never comment on competing applications. And this is not one of those exceptions. We work very hard every day to design and implement the best tools we are capable of, with accuracy and versatility as our main aims. If this is not enough for somebody, then that's fine, use other options if they suit you better.
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