Author Topic: Best Monitor/ Average Monitor- Images Differ Greatly  (Read 3595 times)

Offline sreilly

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Well I thought that getting a much better monitor would help solve some of my processing challenges and it has, to some extent and added other problems I didn't expect. On getting better color balance and seeing color problems it's helped a great deal. But now I'm working on just luminance and the difference in black levels between the two is amazing and a problem. I bought a used NEC MultiSync LCD2490WUXi professional monitor and recalibrate the monitor every 7 days. The calibration is stored in it's own hardware LUT. The other connected monitor (Hanns HH251) is calibrated via software and the video card. Same color calibration hardware/software but entirely different means of saving and reading the calibration as I understand it. There is a very clear difference in the display of any image between the two.

Long story short for me, now that I'm working on a luminance image of M51 I see even more differences in the background levels. M51 being an image that has varying background levels anyway depending on where on the image you look. In my orientation the lower section of the image is lighter. I could "correct " this using DBE but it is natural for this image. If I use Masked Stretched and choose a background level high in the image (darker) or lower in the image (lighter) there is a big difference in outcomes. I'm curious how to proceed and keep a balance between the two. The difference is rather dramatic between the two as I can clearly see when I drag PI between the two monitors (Extended desktop). I've attached 2 images with M51-1 looking correctly on my NEC monitor and M51-2 about the same on the Hanns. Hopefully the differences should be evident.

Any ideas?

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Re: Best Monitor/ Average Monitor- Images Differ Greatly
« Reply #1 on: 2014 May 24 13:13:54 »
This is probably to obvious, but did you check if your 'Edit/Color Management Setup' default profile is a logical profile (sRGB or some other standard profile you know about) and not the monitor profile?  At least on windows the default profiles tends to be reset to the monitor profile after a re-initialisation of PI (and/or maybe a new calibration), and this escaped to me a couple of time...
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Re: Best Monitor/ Average Monitor- Images Differ Greatly
« Reply #2 on: 2014 May 24 15:11:53 »
That was a solid suggestion and I just checked. They were all set to the Hanns monitor profile for some reason. I have no idea why they would be that way. There are now set to sRGB as below.

Before: PI_Color_Management           After: monitor_icc

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Re: Best Monitor/ Average Monitor- Images Differ Greatly
« Reply #3 on: 2014 May 25 11:36:08 »
This is probably to obvious, but did you check if your 'Edit/Color Management Setup' default profile is a logical profile (sRGB or some other standard profile you know about) and not the monitor profile?  At least on windows the default profiles tends to be reset to the monitor profile after a re-initialisation of PI (and/or maybe a new calibration), and this escaped to me a couple of time...
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Bitli,

This may well be the problem but I can't see where I was able to input the monitor .icc file for the monitor profile. It does get recalibrated every 2 weeks and the date seems to be inserted into the profile so how do you change and/or make the .icc file static? It seems to have reverted back to the other "Hanns" monitor which is the second monitor connected to this dual monitor system. I'm obviously missing something basic but for the life of me I can't see where that is.

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Re: Best Monitor/ Average Monitor- Images Differ Greatly
« Reply #4 on: 2014 May 25 11:48:32 »
Why it does lose the settings is a question for Juan.  You may need to specify your OS/version and maybe the calibration software you use.
I assume that you did not reset the PI settings to the defaults, as this may (logically) reset that defaults too, even if the default is not convenient.
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Re: Best Monitor/ Average Monitor- Images Differ Greatly
« Reply #5 on: 2014 May 25 12:04:06 »
Why it does lose the settings is a question for Juan.  You may need to specify your OS/version and maybe the calibration software you use.
I assume that you did not reset the PI settings to the defaults, as this may (logically) reset that defaults too, even if the default is not convenient.
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I haven't reset the defaults but the monitor does get a re-calibration every two weeks and saves the profile to Windows default location: C:/Windows/System32/Spool/Drivers/Color/LCD2490WUXi7X102362YA.icc

This is PI version 01.08.01.1092 Ripley X64 and Windows 7 Pro 64 bit fully updated. The hardware/software used for calibration is Monaco Optix XR and NEC's SpectraView II updated to both latest. Another question is how the monitor profile gets populated in the Color Management settings. I don't see a way for this to be manually added. The system is a two monitor setup and I only use the NEC monitor when processing images otherwise the normal Hanns display is used for all other uses non image processing related programs.

Steve
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