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Experience with IOptron?
« on: 2014 January 21 06:16:55 »
Anybody have any experience with the new IOptron drive.  I am heading out for some imaging this weekend and will be trying it out for the first time after I get my regular rig up and imaging.  Mainly interested is how long to set the iterations.  Will be doing constellations, probably Orion as a trial and curious how long I can go before things get wonky.  Will it make 5 minutes or am I better off staying with 2 or 3 minutes subframes?

Thanks,

Jim
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #1 on: 2014 January 22 04:47:33 »
Jim,

I would err on the shorter exposures 2-3min until you have established just how well it tracks with different focal length lenses. At least you may get usable images, if they trail, they can’t be used.

I tried mine very briefly for the first time a couple of days ago. I was over exposing at 90 secs, so stopped down my 50mm f1.4 (used at f2) to f8 and did one 6.5min exposure, it was trailed and going off that about 2-3 mins should be ok.

It is quite likely that I had not got it set up right and I was having focusing problems. It’s very hard using the just the LCD screen on the camera, the best way is via a laptop, but then it’s not very portable! I need to practice more. My camera is a 500D with fixed LCD, those that swivel are better suited for this type of work.

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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #2 on: 2014 January 22 07:22:45 »
Which iOptron mount are you discussing here?
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #3 on: 2014 January 22 09:45:10 »
Anybody have any experience with the new IOptron drive.  I am heading out for some imaging this weekend and will be trying it out for the first time after I get my regular rig up and imaging.  Mainly interested is how long to set the iterations.  Will be doing constellations, probably Orion as a trial and curious how long I can go before things get wonky.  Will it make 5 minutes or am I better off staying with 2 or 3 minutes subframes?

Thanks,

Jim
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I have the Ieq45, and can image for 5 minutes with no prob with a good polar align and using autoguiding.  I know others have gone longer.

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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #4 on: 2014 January 22 13:30:48 »
Which iOptron mount are you discussing here?

Ah! you make a good point. I am refering to the iOptron SkyTracker V2 DSLR Camera Mount with Polar Scope. Having just got mine I jumped to the conclusion it was the same as mine!

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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #5 on: 2014 January 23 03:36:29 »
Mike, et al

I should have been more specific.  I was talking about the SkyTracker V2 as well, which is a stand alone system.  I am going to be trying it with my STF8300, using a Canon 300mm lens (though I my play around with various lens from 25mm on up).  I will be focusing via laptop so that should ease those problems.  Will test at 2 and 3 minutes and if those work may try pushing it to 5.  Will be shooting two nights of iterations with my big rig (CDK12.5/F16M on an MX) but once that is set up it pretty much runs itself all night so the Sky Tracker should be a fun add.

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Jim
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #6 on: 2014 January 23 04:38:08 »
I have one of these. (Skytracker) and use it with DSLR and various lenses. Its v easy to set up and tracking is v good. Its easy to calc how long an exp you can do depending on lens focal length, camera and dec of object you looking at. I find the polar align v good and exp time is limited by the PE, which for mine is about 30arc-sec (p-p)with 8min period.
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« Reply #7 on: 2014 January 23 08:52:58 »
just saw a guy on flickr that appears to have a bad one… or is this v1 vs v2?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/latent0image/12099683875/

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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #8 on: 2014 January 24 04:43:19 »
cld be a "bad" one. some of mine here http://flic.kr/s/aHsjG43Mfq PI processed on NAm neb :)
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #9 on: 2014 January 26 22:20:15 »
Hey guys,

Tested my SkyTracker (ST) out over the weekend and can report on the experience.  Overall it was positive but there are a couple of things to keep in mind.  First off, the app that helps you find exactly where to position polaris is the best I have ever seen.  Its really a gem of a tool and when combined with the small scope that comes with the ST, it works amazingly well.  I have spent thousands more on mounts that don't have anything near as slick.  One caution though, make sure you have a tripod ballhead that will allow you to move the ST smoothly and in fine increments.  I found the controls that come with the ST to be too course which is frustrating since the app shows you exactly where to put polaris, but getting it there takes real effort, especially with cold fingers.

Second, watch the weight and focal length.  First night I tried my STF8300 with a Canon 300mm lens.  Fine for short (30 sec) iterations, but 2 minutes was really hit or miss and mostly miss with unacceptable tracking errors (in part driven by the weight I was imposing on the ST).  Second night I stepped down to a 25mm lens and tracking was great for full 2 minutes.  Shot Orion Nebula environs with 30 2 min iterations each of RGBs for a total of 3 hours of capture and though I haven't processed them yet, even a single Red shot shows the Loop, the Flame and Horsehead area, the large bubble nebulosity sitting on the top of Orion and even, off to the side, the Rosette.  I can't wait to see the final result and will post here once I complete it.

Now the issues.  First, I ran it off batteries (4AA) and it worked fine over both nights but I couldn't get the door holding the battery pack to stay on.  A small thing, but irritating.  More important issue are the screws that hold the ballhead to the ST itself.  They are just not up to the task.  Admittedly I was pushing the weight limit by loading up about 7 pounds of equipment (limit is supposed to be 7.7 lbs).  While I could get the thumbscrews to hold for the first series, they kept loosening when I tried to move to a second target the second night.  I will replace when I go back to the US next month (I live in the Middle East and image from Oman and don't want to put European threads into my US thread holes).  Actually thinking of just locking the attachment down since I can get a full range of motion from the ballhead itself.

Bottomline, when it works, it works fantastically, but you will need to do some home repairs, which is a shame, since these should be simple fixes in the manufacturing process.

Jim 
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #10 on: 2014 February 13 21:06:38 »
PI World,

Thought I would share the image of Orion I was able to shoot with the SkyTracker.  Great tool for wide angle shots.

Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByrTommGQM20N3g2S3lrUUYwRms/edit?usp=sharing

Best,

Jim
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #11 on: 2014 February 14 10:26:47 »
Jim, your google drive images never display.  If I right click and choose view image I get:

403. That’s an error.

Your client does not have permission to get URL /Vb2fIiW8cXOJUhg2meblMjaAWL8qPig2eu4G6HdhPIeB_odaW_EEBPO3mrljg1GZLMPz9pB_dQ1KL8o from this server. (Client IP address: 174.29.71.252)

ACL Denied That’s all we know.

Seems like you have a permissions issue somewhere in your account which isn't allowing external viewing.

Craig

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« Reply #12 on: 2014 February 14 12:40:26 »
craig i think jim is aware of this now from discussion in another thread. maybe he has to go update all of his posted images to fix it though.

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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #13 on: 2014 February 15 17:01:14 »
Craig,

Sorry for that, I had my Google Drive settings wrong.  Test this one and let me know if it works this time:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByrTommGQM20N3g2S3lrUUYwRms/edit?usp=sharing

Best,

Jim
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Re: Experience with IOptron?
« Reply #14 on: 2014 February 17 12:21:33 »
Jim, I just checked this new link and I'm still getting the same error from google.