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Offline LMLeitch

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Image calibration - Pixinsight and CCD-Stack
« on: 2013 October 15 15:31:29 »
Hi,

I have some images that were taken at the Mount Lemmon Observatory. This means that they are very good compared to what comes from my backyard. ;-)
I take one master bias and the red filtered image and calibrate in CCD-Stack. Just 2 files. I get a good calibrated (not fully calibrated since only a bias was subtracted) but the image looks 'good'. When I process those same two images in Pixinsight ImageIntegration tool the result is a pitch black background and a few pure white circles.

According to CCD-Stack the mean value of the bias frame is 1263 and the mean of the red is 2717.
According to Pixinsight  the mean value of the bias frame is 8162 and the mean of the red is 2717 (yes, the same).

Pixinsight is reporting in 16 bit integers and these numbers fit into 16 bits.

Subtracting a bias of 8162 from a light of 2717 leaves -5445.

Is there some critical setting that I am overlooking?

Confused. ;-)

TIA

Larry Leitch


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Re: Image calibration - Pixinsight and CCD-Stack
« Reply #1 on: 2013 October 15 15:52:52 »
hi larry, where did the calibration masters come from? if from maxim, likely they have f32 values which dont fit in [0.0,1.0] and are being truncated as they are read in.

one solution is to open the fits reader and set the correct min and max values for the files you are looking at.

however, if the masters came from a different program it's probably a good idea to ask adam for the bias, dark and flat subexposures and make the masters in pixinsight. using calibration masters from program A in program B almost never works. if the masters came out of CCDStack, well, there's your answer :)

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Re: Image calibration - Pixinsight and CCD-Stack
« Reply #2 on: 2013 October 15 17:59:47 »
Hi Rob,

Thanks for the info; all of it appears to be spot on.

I did try to change the DSPMIN and DSPMAX values to 0.0 and 1.0 with no luck. I decided that it was time to abandon that approach.

I am still on the very steep part of the learning curve and when I have used my images I got backgrounds of red, green... after using the background neutralization tool. That is when I decided to eliminate a variable in the equation and use some data that I got from Adam. Using his masters, created by CCD-Stack (which I like) the background was totally black.

Do you know of some site where I can get some high quality (with maybe a few imperfections) images for practice?

Thanks.

Larry Leitch

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Re: Image calibration - Pixinsight and CCD-Stack
« Reply #3 on: 2013 October 15 19:11:42 »
well, i suppose, if you can, you can finish the job of calibrating and integrating the lights with CCDStack. past that point PI should be compatible with the stacks; might require tweaking the fits reader again, or if you can convince CCDStack to output in the range [0,1] then you are golden.

if you don't own CCDStack... well... hmm. i don't know offhand about any full data repositories that are out there with i16 subs of bias, dark, flat, etc... that does not mean they are not out there, though. i am not sure anymore what's available in the hubble legacy archive but perhaps there is some useful data there.

is your goal to learn calibration and integration in PI or to do post processing?

how was your own data acquired? if you have light pollution gradients and vignetting, that may account for the wild colors even after BN. in that case you should probably do DBE or ABE before attempting to neutralize the background.

or, it could be that an STF which was computed before BN was performed was still applied to the view, and you see crazy colors; in that case doing another AutoSTF after BN should get you back to something that looks better.

rob


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Re: Image calibration - Pixinsight and CCD-Stack
« Reply #4 on: 2013 October 16 09:41:32 »
Larry, I have gone this same route with Adam at the SkyCenter. I always asked him to give me the calibration files so I could take it from there. I used CCDStack to calibrate and then moved to PI for the post-processing. That seemed to work fine for me.

What was your target? I will look forward to seeing your results.

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Re: Image calibration - Pixinsight and CCD-Stack
« Reply #5 on: 2013 October 17 11:47:47 »
here is a source of some very high-quality image data, which is part of a reddit processing challenge:

http://www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography/comments/1on0hu/processing_challenge_q4_2013_challenge_m33_in

(follow the link to stuffupthere.com)

rob