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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #30 on: 2012 November 06 15:08:49 »
Hi

So Juan , when do you sort of plan to work this into a release  :D 8)

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #31 on: 2012 November 06 15:35:36 »
the window title said "1.8" so... soon?

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #32 on: 2012 November 06 19:01:38 »
Wait....Wait....Wait...that's all I ever do    :D

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #33 on: 2012 November 07 08:07:26 »
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...IMO lack of layering is a weakness of PI...

Don't take this as an official announcement, but see below... :)


Whoa, Juan, this is big news! I just thought you were philosophically opposed to the Layers model of astro-processing... I am too, in a way, but I can think of a number of great uses for this functionality.

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #34 on: 2012 November 07 08:12:50 »
Hi Juan

Hope to see that very soon  O0

Indeed, very nice preview

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #35 on: 2012 November 07 08:39:50 »
i'm not sure there's any philosophical opposition to layers per se, i think it's the idea of creating arbitrary masks (by painting) and enhancing structures/colors  using those masks. in theory this can already be done in PI, it's just harder than PS due to the lack of painting tools.

i think the concept of layers as a real-time processing pipeline is pretty powerful. if the day comes when each layer can be a process and a mask, PI will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine (to quote obi-wan)

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #36 on: 2012 November 09 05:42:19 »
PI -> Photoshop Inside ?

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #37 on: 2012 November 10 04:13:40 »
We don't have anything against layers. The layers paradigm has always been an interesting and powerful UI approach for document-oriented environments, such as CAD applications and drawing applications. In an object-oriented environment such as PixInsight, layers can also be useful, and even funny, because they allow for some kind of interaction that is more difficult to implement with separate images. I hope a layers tool will make PixInsight more appealing to those who are heavily accustomed to the layers paradigm, and hence a more competing product.

The only problem with layers is in the way they are being used with other applications. Unfortunately, layers are now associated with the application of manual painting tools and other processes selectively, arbitrarily and without any algorithmic or documentary criteria. We think these practices are incompatible with astrophotography. Eventually, once we have a working layers tool (soon) and drawing tools (we'll have them integrated with layers in a future version), these procedures will also be easy with PixInsight. This won't change the fact that we'll always be against painting the images, though.

The new layers tool (we are still deciding on the final name; maybe it will be LayeredComposition, or just Layers for the sake of simplicity) is actually very nice and useful. In its first version, it implements a complete set of arithmetic pixel operations (Add, Subtract, Multiply, Divide), move operations (Copy, Minimum, Maximum), composition operations (ColorBurn, LinearBurn, Screen, ColorDodge, Overlay, SoftLight, HardLight, VividLight, LinearLight, PinLight, Difference, Exclusion), and bitwise logical operations (OR, AND, XOR, NOR, NAND, XNOR). In addition, it allows you to merge luminance, lightness and chroma components between successive layers. It implements layer masks and allows for real-time mouse and keyboard interaction to select and move layers. I'd like to have it ready for release at the same time as version 1.8, but I'm not sure if we'll be able to achieve that.
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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #38 on: 2012 November 10 19:01:22 »
Good work!

I've always pictured the layers tool in PixInsight as being able to let the user write custom PixelMath operations between layers, in addition to offering a predefined set of operations. That wouldn't only make a significant difference between this and other popular layering tools, but it would also be very useful.

Live preview would also be very desirable, although not having it in the first installment is okay IMHO.



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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #39 on: 2012 November 10 19:02:54 »
I am very much looking forward to working with it, Juan! Godspeed with your development of both 1.8 and this tool.

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #40 on: 2012 November 10 19:06:58 »
Juan,

As the OP of this, and REALLY new at PI, this will really help all of us that grew up on photoshop.
I'm sure this will be a big selling tool for the software!!!

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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #41 on: 2012 November 10 19:10:47 »
yes, make a luminance mask with the desired strength and have it active when you apply the HDRWT (or any other process for that matter.)
this is the 'right' way to do it in PI. i can see why you are frustrated with having to do it with pixelmath.

I see nothing wrong with applying a process to an image, and then merge it via PixelMath with a copy of that image before applying that last process, no masks involved, at whichever "percentage" we desire.

It all depends what are you trying to do. Luminance/lightness-based masks are great, but they serve different purposes.


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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #42 on: 2012 December 30 17:42:28 »
This is fantastic Juan. I think it will go a long way towards satisfying Photoshop users, encouraging them to stay in PixInsight for the entire workflow. Looks as if you are enabling masks to be applied to Layers also, as well as blend mode and opacity- fantastic. The last thing on the wish list would be, and I say it with a bucket on my head for fear of attack- a brush! I do understand what has been to date, a philosophical problem with brush tools, but given the existence of the clone tool, and how much more efficient a brush would be, I would love to see it. Thanks!
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Re: How do I combine two master lights
« Reply #43 on: 2013 January 03 17:25:30 »
hello

i create a Script  to  combine  2 or 3 masters

http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=4853.0