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Offline herman

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rings around hot-pixels after registration
« on: 2012 October 24 16:27:40 »
I noticed the registration process is putting rings around some of the hot-pixels.  Attached are before / after samples.  I used the “Auto” interpolation setting with “Clamping Threshold” set to 0.30 (the default).  Any thoughts on what's causing this?

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Re: rings around hot-pixels after registration
« Reply #1 on: 2012 October 24 19:39:09 »
Sometimes when you integrate rings get reduced. If not check out using Bicubic spline rather than Auto. The results may not be quite as sharp. It's a compromise.
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Re: rings around hot-pixels after registration
« Reply #2 on: 2012 October 25 12:02:36 »
I get artifacts too.
Bicubic spline works but I agree with Mike, you loose in resolution.
I hope this is something can be fixed and prioritized in the next developments.
Andrea

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Re: rings around hot-pixels after registration
« Reply #3 on: 2012 October 25 12:26:16 »
Hi,

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Bicubic spline works but I agree with Mike, you loose in resolution.
I hope this is something can be fixed and prioritized in the next developments.

I'm afraid this cannot be fixed or improved, as far as I know. When it comes to choose an interpolation algorithm, you have to decide between:

- Better detail preservation and less aliasing, but more ringing: Lanczos.

- Less detail preservation and more aliasing, but less ringing: Bicubic spline.

- Poor detail preservation and lots of aliasing, but zero ringing: Bilinear.

In our implementations of Lanczos and bicubic spline, I added a clamping device that limits ringing generation. Of course, this feature also has its own drawback: clamping increases the low-pass behavior of the interpolation filters, which degrades interpolation and leads to more aliasing. However, the clamping feature provides finer control that in most cases allows you to use Lanczos or bicubic without having to resort to bilinear.

Generally, interpolation ringing artifacts disappear after integrating a sufficient number of frames, when they can be rejected as outliers. This usually happens, for example, with ringing generated around stars. Ringing around hot pixels can be more persistent. In these cases you can use cosmetic correction to remove all hot pixels before registration (BatchPreprocessing allows you to automate this).
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Re: rings around hot-pixels after registration
« Reply #4 on: 2012 October 25 14:00:21 »
Hi Juan,
I usually do more than 50 frames integration but I can't reject the artefacts (that is a sort of ringing, because the star shape is also affected).
in my last image I had to use bilinear to avoid "rombic stars".

I have yo say that is difficult to try different settings and combination  because registering and integrating 50 frames 4x4k on my pc  is not immediate.

My frames are with zero rotation  and just 2 pixels of dithering.
The bilinear is probably good enough (on par with other programs) but it is a pity I am not able to leverage on the other methods

Andrea