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Offline sreilly

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Image Calibration Frames
« on: 2012 April 06 11:01:32 »
Re-reading the software tutorial, "Master Calibration Frames: Acquisition and Processing" I see where it says to use 10 dark and 10 bias frames to create the master frames. I have for years always taken large numbers of bias frames, usually 60, to create my master bias and usually 20-25 darks at a given temperature and time for masters. I typically image in 10, 20, and 30 minute time ranges depending on which scope and camera/filter combination. So I have always taken my darks by a given temperature in increments of 5 degrees at these time intervals. Last night for instance I was shooting 30 minute subs of M82 using my STL-11000, OGS 12.5" f/9 RC and Ha filter all binned 1x1 at -30 degrees for 30 minute subs. I go into my dark library which is generated usually each season and choose the appropriate master dark to use for calibrating the images. In my case I use temperatures in 5 degree increments and develop the library with the above listed times ending up with -30 degree darks in 10, 20, and 30 minute increments. The same for -25, -20 and so on. This is done on nights where it's not possible to image because of clouds, rain, and so on. So I'm not losing prime imaging time. The biggest thing is the amount of hard drive space this consumes over time.

Now reading the above tutorial it seems to recommend using bias frames and scale the darks for any given time/temperature light frames. Given I already have my dark library and bias frames, is it a real advantage to scrap those and take the calibration frames this way? Or as an experiment is it suggested to take my 30 minute -35 darks and use the bias frames to scale any of the images I'm taking?

I've struggled using PI to calibrate my images and I've always fallen back to using my image acquisition software, MaxImDl, to calibrate my images and then further process the image in PI. As some may know from my website, I dearly love the power and control PI gives me in processing my images but I struggle with some of the processes, Image Calibration being one of the basic ones. I'd really like to conquer issue and keep all my processing totally within PI. So what am I doing wrong? I use the same master darks and master flats files in MaxIm to calibrate and they work extremely well. Using these same files in PI to create the master frames leaves the images not well calibrated. Is using 60 bias frames for a master not advisable? Is using 20-25 darks frames for a master at the given imaging temperature and time not as good as using a scaled master? Should using my lowest temperature darks (-35 degrees) at 30 minutes sufficient to cover any of my images taken at anywhere from -35 degrees for no longer than 30 minutes to 10 minutes at say -15 degrees? Am I asking the right questions?

I should also mention that I take sky flats and usually generate a library of those as well. The master flats are usually made using anywhere from 10-20 individual frames and have the master bias applied. These are no longer than 20 second exposures and have no darks applied.

I'll add to the post by going back and trying to make new masters again in PI and using those on an image and then using my normal MaxImDl process and post the differences I see as an example.  I'll post those images to my website so that larger versions can be seen for a better comparison. I have no idea where my process is messing things up and am sure my approach in PI is wrong and I could continue to calibrate in MaxImDl but would rather learn the error of my ways and become more affluent in PI.

Thanks for any assistance given.
Steve
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Re: Image Calibration Frames
« Reply #1 on: 2012 April 06 13:58:23 »
Seems from the posts I see on this forum, PI Image Calibration is a good canddate for a video as it seems very confusing. I've been calibrating and processing images for years and yet this normally simply outine continues to elude me in PI. I expect it's very simple but not obvious for me. I followed the tutorial and must say that visually the calibration frames look fine to me. I checked each individual frame to be sure ther were no trash files being used. After generating these master frames and attempting to use them in PI Image Calibration it doesn't seem any calibration is being performed. I have the three boxes for calibrate unchecked and optimize checked under dark. I can tell quickly if the dark has been subtracted aas I have a constant set of odd lines that appear in all my light images and they are in the dark as well. Normally they disapear as expected when the dark is subtracted. See the attached screen shot.

I've zipped the master bias, master dark, master flat, and one luminance image but until I can get out to a better location to upload the 82.4 MB zipped file it will have to wait. Part of the problem with satellite internet I'm afraid. This still eludes me and for the life of me it shouldn't be this hard.
Steve
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Tak FSQ-106ED
ST10XME/CFW8/AO8
STL-11000M/FW8/AO-L
Pyxis 3" Rotator
Baader LRGBHa Filters
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Re: Image Calibration Frames
« Reply #2 on: 2012 April 06 14:13:32 »
Did you try the script in http://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=3654.240 ? Works nicely for me.
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Re: Image Calibration Frames
« Reply #3 on: 2012 April 06 16:20:46 »
Just did try it and get the same results. I am using version PixInsight Core 01.07.06.0793 Starbuck (x86_64)
Steve
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Re: Image Calibration Frames
« Reply #4 on: 2012 May 01 20:56:59 »
As a new approach to an image I'm trying again, I decided to try making the master calibration frames again by means of re-reading this tutorial http://pixinsight.com/tutorials/master-frames/en.html Seems I may have had the settings for the pixel rejection for the master darks set at 0.10 instead of 0.010.

Anyway, I also found that since I have master dark at the same temperature as my image frames I needed to un-check the bias frame. At this point my calibration routine is working as it should.
Steve
www.astral-imaging.com
AP1200
OGS 12.5" RC
Tak FSQ-106ED
ST10XME/CFW8/AO8
STL-11000M/FW8/AO-L
Pyxis 3" Rotator
Baader LRGBHa Filters
PixInsight/MaxIm/ACP/Registar/Mira AP/PS CS5