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Offline JamieInCLT

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New Camera, how do I make it color?
« on: 2012 March 09 13:52:11 »
Hi All-

I got my new camera, and atik 420c, a one-shot-color camera.  This is my first ccd, and I don't understand the whole bayer thing. 

Which debayer method do I use to make the image look color (in particular, the RIGHT colors ;))?

The chip in it is a Sony ICX-274, if that helps.

I tried various combinations, but none of them look right.  Thanks!




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Re: New Camera, how do I make it color?
« Reply #1 on: 2012 March 09 19:17:43 »
How are you storing the raw data? FITS?
Make sure to change the FITS format preferences to use the top left corner as the origin of the coordinates.  Now, most probably you have to use the standard RGGB pattern.
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Re: New Camera, how do I make it color?
« Reply #2 on: 2012 March 10 12:06:39 »
Also, don't be suprised if you get strong color cast after debayering (for example, I almost always get completely green picture after debayering). BackgroundNeutralization & ColorCalibration will fix it. But image should be smooth - if you get pattern of alternating red/green/blue pixels, you selected wrong bayer pattern for sure. For method, I strongly suggest VNG (Debayer tool is documented, so take a look for more info). 

In case you still have problems, please post the result you get after debayering (small crop is enough).

regards, Zbynek

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Re: New Camera, how do I make it color?
« Reply #3 on: 2012 March 10 12:57:55 »
Yes, FITS...

I am just having a heck of a time getting the noise to go away, and I think that my calibration sequence is making it worse.  There are very consistent pixels that seem to be "locked on".

I am using an atik-420c, on an alt-az CPC mount, an 8" SCT at f/10.  There might be focus issues, but I don't think that would impact what I am seeing here.

I didn't take flats last night (because I still don't know how), and I didn't take bias or darks, either- so I took those today with the same temperature setting

So I built a master bias:
   o 100 x .001s bias images, lens cap on
   o Average combination, No Normalization, weights=don't care
   o rejection windsor sigma, no normalization (is that right?), sLow=4, sHigh=3
   o Saved the file as atik420-MasterBias.fit
   
Then I Calibrated my darks with it:
   o 20 x 60s frames, lens cap on
   o Used the Master Bias file atik420-MasterBias.fit
   o Output Pedestal = 0
   o Note that the calibrated files were almost twice as big as the original- does that make sense?
   
Then I Integrated the 20 Darks:
   o Average combination, No Normalization, weights=don't care
   o rejection windsor sigma, no normalization (is that right?), sLow=4, sHigh=3
   o Saved the file as atik420-MasterDark.fit

Now, with my new master dark and bias in hand, I took to the lights (remember, no flats)

To calibrate/debayer/align:
   o 7 x 60s exposures (that was all that I could salvage)
   o Used the Master Bias file atik420-MasterBias.fit
   o Used the Master Dark file atik420-MasterDark.fit
   o Batch Debayer (VNG/RGGB)
      - note that batch seems to sometimes this ends up with seemingly empty files, and have to re-run it, like every other time
   o Then I tried Star Alignment, which keeps failing


The Dark and Bias look OK to me, but I might be way off- they do seem to show the same problem areas/pixels as the lights.  This is a new camera, and I have never done this before- do they look ok?

BUT My debayered original FITS look "better" than my calibrated ones (more uniform background- see the "noisy calibrated" image) (see the noisy-calibrated vs just-debayered).

I tried experimenting with various settings in the calibration of the light frames, including checking the "calibrate" boxes with the master bias and darks- that seemed to introduce less noise, but the hot-spots are still there.

These attachments are stretched, but not color linked, trying to convey what I am seeing.

« Last Edit: 2012 March 10 13:28:14 by jamiesmithnc »

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Re: New Camera, how do I make it color?
« Reply #4 on: 2012 March 12 12:04:21 »
Also, don't be suprised if you get strong color cast after debayering (for example, I almost always get completely green picture after debayering). BackgroundNeutralization & ColorCalibration will fix it. But image should be smooth - if you get pattern of alternating red/green/blue pixels, you selected wrong bayer pattern for sure. For method, I strongly suggest VNG (Debayer tool is documented, so take a look for more info). 

In case you still have problems, please post the result you get after debayering (small crop is enough).

regards, Zbynek

I don't want to hijack the OP's thread/question, but could someone explain briefly why the green cast is produced and how you use colour cal / background neutralisation to get rid of it?
thanks
Phil
{apologies to the OP}

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Re: New Camera, how do I make it color?
« Reply #5 on: 2012 March 12 12:28:03 »
No worries, I actually know this one ;)
 
if you have already color corrected and everything, try SCNR...