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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #30 on: 2010 September 29 12:34:24 »
Emanuele,

I can send you my "star reduction" process icon that makes it pretty easy (about four or five steps).  It's not perfect, but it's a lot easier than using StarMask.  All I need is your E-mail address.

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #31 on: 2010 September 29 12:53:15 »
One other salient point is when you use erosion on MT I select Size 9 (81 elements) or greater, way of 1 and then importantly select the Circular Icon button below the Way dropdown.
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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #32 on: 2010 September 29 12:55:01 »
I do know that people have been 'frightened off' by PI's less than conventional GUI

Deep down, the biggest difference in the UI is that PI uses an object-oriented user interface (OOUI) while most applications use a "modal oriented" user interface. In a modal interface, usually when you pull a dialog box to do something, the entire application waits until you're done with it and click one of the famous OK, CANCEL and sometimes APPLY buttons. No such thing on an OOUI. People used to modal interfaces may find this confusing, but once you get used to it, at least in my experience, you become a lot more productive (and for some odd reason I also find it more fun to use).

Anyway, back to the problem at hand, like I said, if the problem is that a MT dims the core of the stars, you can try this - which I mentioned earlier but I'll break it down a bit:

1) After your MT, use the ATWT tool, select only layer 1, 2 or both, deselecting all others, increase bias to 0.100 or maybe 0.200 for the active layers, and apply. You may also want to check Noise reduction. Just play with all these parameters (bias, NR)  on a magnified preview to see the effect of using different values. You could do this while a star mask is being applied to the image, to isolate the effect on stars as opposed to, maybe, noise.

OR...

2) Before your MT, create a dup of the image, use the ATWT tool, select only layer 1, 2 or both, and apply over this duplicate image. Do your MT on the original image, and when you're done, add both images together using PixelMath with something like Max(image,dup)...

Just two ways out of many to deal with this issue. It's a start, one can certainly get fancier than that, but this might get you a bit more familiar with these tools and situations in which you can use them... Before you know it, you might even start to come up with your own way of doing things...



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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #33 on: 2010 September 29 13:08:58 »
Hi Jack, I will indeed give that a try, thanks.

BTW, I had been using the circular icon.

RBA, yet more useful info, and options to try   :)

This 'thread' has produced a wealth of information, and all of it very helpful  :)

Thanks for starting this one off Harry  :).

I started out in this 'thead' as 'Mr Newbie', and while I've been here, I got promoted to 'journeyman'  :laugh:

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #34 on: 2010 September 30 00:54:23 »
Loving this thread. Lots of new things I didnt know are coming up!

Ok, so here is the image that I was talking about: look at the amount of stars. I just used Wade StarMask and Reduction algorithm and I really like the results. It generates a perfect mask! I have never been able to obtain a perfect mask. :)


This is a HIGHLY underexposed image: just 10x3 minutes of Luminance, from a 5 mag skies. :) I think it's an ok result for this integration time.

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #35 on: 2010 September 30 11:14:18 »
Nice 'tight' stars in that image Emanuele.  :)

What's a Wade Star Mask  ???

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #36 on: 2010 September 30 12:22:46 »
Thanks Dave.

It's not a good image by any means, but it was just a test.

The Wade StarMask is a mask that has been built by Wade, of these forums. Read a few posts earlier and you'll see him mentioning the mask that he uses.

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #37 on: 2010 September 30 13:09:27 »
Hi Emanuele

Well its looks like I need a 'Wade Mask' too, because the star mask in PI is driving me 'nuts'  >:(

I open an image, create a star mask, apply it to the main image but do not invert it, apply MT to the stars, see them reduce in the mask.

Remove the mask and nothing in the underlying image has changed.  :o

Apparently, I'm following the correct procedure, but it doesn't work for me :yell:

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #38 on: 2010 September 30 14:05:20 »
Just made an interesting discovery related to the issue raised above.

The image (IC5070) that I was trying to applying star reduction to, using the star mask and MT, was of very low contrast, in that the Pelican nebula filled most all of the image frame, leaving very little dark sky background showing.

Have just tried using exactly the same procedure on an image (M27 wide field) with high contrast (stars against a dark sky background), and the star mask plus MT star reduction worked perfectly.

So, can someone answer why the procedure works on a high contrast image, but not one of low contrast?

Albeit the star mask correctly 'pulled out' the stars from the low contrast image, but would not apply the MT reduction to the underlying image.

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #39 on: 2010 September 30 14:09:26 »
Hi

Most star masks are not black and white  ;D  so perhapes one mask is still giving some protection to the stars , try adjusting it with curves  :surprised:

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #40 on: 2010 September 30 14:11:52 »
Most star masks are not black and white  ;D  so perhapes one mask is still giving some protection to the stars , try adjusting it with curves  :surprised:

Ok, I can try that, but it works fine on the same image in PS without any fiddling about with curves or levels  ;)

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #41 on: 2010 September 30 14:34:26 »
Ok, tried that, and it makes no difference!!

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #42 on: 2010 September 30 14:46:43 »
Hi Dave
Could you upload the mask and the image (at least, two matching crops)?
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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #43 on: 2010 September 30 14:53:24 »
Hi Carlos

Yep, I can do that.

Will have to be well 'cropped' as the full FITs is 5.52Mb.

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Re: Better star reduction
« Reply #44 on: 2010 September 30 14:59:24 »
You may also downsample the bitdepth, change it to 8bits to save space. Anyway, a jpeg at 95% quality would be good enough.
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