Eleccion de monitor.

[Ignacio.R.]

permalink Pues sondeando un poco el mercado estoy viendo criterios tan dispares que no soy capaz de decidirme. Asi que si alguien me puede sugerir algo lo tendre en cuenta.
No quiero un supermonitor, y quiero gastarme lo justo. Algun dia, si que pretendo comprarme algo realmente bueno, pero de momento quiero algo que me permita salir del paso unos años. El presupuesto estaria en un rango de entre 200 y 500 aunque mucho mas cerca de 200 que de 500. Ademas ya tengo en cuenta que probablemente necesite destinar otros 100 a un calibrador... Por cierto, en un futuro cercano me voy a montar un pc con linux, pero por ahora tengo que tirar con windows, asi que me interesa que el monitor vaya bien con los dos SO. Lo digo porque he leido que hay complicaciones sobre todo al calibrar en linux.

En principio me estoy declinando por este:
http://www.microgamma.com/nec/nec_p221w.php
Tiene buena fama, buenas prestaciones y por lo visto muestra los negros como son, sin brillos ni cosas raras... No lleva panel IPS sino PVA (todo el mundo dice que los IPS son lo mejor) y bueno, 22" a 1680x1050. Lo ponen muy bien en algunas reviews aunque supongo que no le queda mucho para estar descatalogado ya que es tecnologia con un año de antiguedad. Unos 430€ del ala.

Por otra parte, estoy valorando algo de este tipo...
http://www.alternate.es/html/product/Monitores_TFT-LCD_22_pulgadas/EIZO/S2202WE-BK/302722/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Monitores+TFT%2FLCD&l2=22+pulgadas
Los eizo tienen una fama impresionante, aunque la serie a la que pertenece este se considera en la web anterior como "monitor ofimatico". Es posible que un ofimatico de estos le de 100 patadas a monitores de gama alta de otros fabricantes, pero por irme a una marca de las mejores tampoco quiero pillarme los dedos y comprarme el peor monitor que ha sacado esta gente. Por eso el Nec tiene algo de ventaja siendo mismo tamaño y misma resolucion. En este caso si que es panel IPS. Eso si, incorpora un sistema de autoajuste de la iluminacion mediante un sensor de luz. Vamos, se adapta a las condiciones de luminosidad ambientales. Si esto no se puede desactivar lo descarto directamente. Por cierto, 5 años de garantia. 300€.

Finalmente la tercera opcion del abanico. Un monitor LG Flatron o algun Samsung o Dell..
http://www.alternate.es/html/product/Monitores_TFT-LCD_23_pulgadas/LG/Flatron_E2350V/398847/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Monitores+TFT%2FLCD&l2=23+pulgadas
Panel TN, retroiluminado por LED pero con tiempos de respuesta muy bajos (bien para los gamers, pero para procesar es inutil), una luminancia de 230cd, bastante buena, aunque un contraste dinamico de 5000000:1 mientras que los buenos monitores de procesado dicen que deben estar entre 800:1 y 1000:1, eso si de contraste estatico. En este caso 1920x1080 (fullHD) y por unos 230€
Tambien hay cosas similares por menos de 200€ http://www.alternate.es/html/product/Monitores_TFT-LCD_23_pulgadas/LG/Flatron_W2361V/334840/?baseId=671278 180€
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=es&l=es&s=bsd&cs=esbsdt1&sku=238229  260€

A ver que os parecen y si teneis experiencia propia o cercana de ellos. Ademas si alguien me recomienda algun otro tambien lo tendre en cuenta.

Saludos

[Yuriy Toropin]

Hi Ignasio,
I know almost non words in Spanish, but I can highly recommend NEC MultiSync EA231WMi monitor.
Browse web for reviews, it's really non-expensive but nice option.
Saludos
   Yuriy

[Nocturnal]

Tja, ik wil wel helpen maar mijn Spaans is niet zo goed dus ik zal wachten tot je in het Engels schrijft.

[Ignacio.R.]

Thanks Yuriy

It seems that the 231 is a good monitor. It seems strange that to reach higher resolutions and has no FullHD HDMI connection ...
Thoroughly evaluate the 231 I found the test and passed UGRA data. I am concerned that only reaches 76% of AdobeRGB while the 221 offers a 96%. Otherwise appears to be a fairly uniform panel and something more economical but on the web microgamma not recommended for photographic applications.

Nocturnal...

Tja, ik wil wel helpen maar mijn Spaans is niet zo goed dus ik zal wachten tot je in het Engels schrijft.

what language is this? 

[Nocturnal]

Well it seemed you only wanted advise from Spanish speakers so I figured I'd reply in Dutch.

[Niall Saunders]

There was quite a lot of comment available on the web that said that the Hanns.G 28" monitor that I now use (as the central monitor of a triple Hanns.G monitor setup) was supposedly very poor - some people even saying that it was totally unsuitable for photographic processing use.

I bought it anyway, and it has turned out to be simply STUNNING. If it hadn't been so good, I would NOT have bought the second two monitors as Hanns.G models, and would have changed the primary monitor a LONG time ago.

So, if I were you I would choose the monitor that you want to choose - there is a LOT of snobbery and bullsh!t out there when it comes to monitors. All THREE of my monitors TOGETHER cost about HALF of what would seem to be ESSENTIAL as a 'photographic' monitor if you follow some of the nonsense out there.

[Ignacio.R.]

Hi Nocturnal.
He did not seek advice in one or another language. The initial message I copied from another forum in Spanish where I asked for advice and was too long to translate.

I've been watching the HannsG and I really like, at least in design. They are also very complete in connectivity and accessories. Will investigate more because I get a 20 "-22" and tend to be major differences between apparently identical models.

On what is said on the network, there are many lies and misinformation. So I go looking for the results of the certification tests UGRA. Basically I look at the black point, gamut volume and uniformity. I think these are the most important factors for processing astrophotography and is the only use I will give the monitor, so I prefer to be careful with the choice.

I do not know if you've tried a monitor of the "suitable for photography" but if he did he speaks wonders of the Eizo, Nec, LaCie ... I do not want to get for now to those extremes, but I have a lot of time with a blown CRT monitor and laptop, and I would like to note the change.

By the way, I can not find HannsG dealer in Spain. Not a problem can buy online, but my concern is customer service.

Thanks Niall.

[Niall Saunders]

Hi Ignacio,

my concern is customer service

If you are concerned, I can give you the contact details of the online dealer I used here in the UK - their service was simply excellent. My first 28" monitor was 'dead on arrival', but they sent a replacement which arrived THE NEXT MORNING - at NO expense to me. And they paid for the uplift of the faulty unit. OK - so they might have to consider how the would serve a customer in Spain, but DHL is DHL, so I am sure that they would just look at the difference in costs.

That said, I am sure that you would find a Spanish dealer just as easily.

I am using an HG281D as the 'main' monitor, in normal Landscape mode, and two 'auxiliary' HA195 monitors on each side, in Portrait mode. If I was starting again, I would have hoped to have ended up with a 'wider' (i.e. 'taller' in Landscape mode) screen resolution for the two auxiliary monitors. At only 786 x 1366 (the 'native' resolution of the HA195 monitors), I find the '786 width' to sometimes be too narrow for some uses. The main monitor is fine at 1920 x 1200.

However, I have also been looking at the Samsung 30" monitor as well - not that I am likely to be changing any time soon. But it seems to get pretty favourable reviews, and has a very PI-friendly resolution of 2560 x 1600 (about 4/3 as much as my current 28" monitor gives me). That said, I am now so comfortable with the idea of an auxiliary monitor at each side of the main screen (the one on the left provides me with a 'permanent' view of the PI Console, whilst the one on the right is where I park a 'permanent' view of the HT, the STF and the Status processes - amongst others) that I would immediately be looking to find a pair of 1600 x 1200 monitors to run in Portrait mode just to keep my current desktop arrangement

[Ignacio.R.]

Wow, you have an important assembly. I can not qualify for those levels, but I agree that there should be very nice to work with the image in a 28 "and other tools and consoles spread over two monitors.
Looking for some information, in Spain HannsG is called Hannspree but there are models that are not what you told me. It's all very recent "1yr" and will probably have to wait a bit.
Continue to investigate ...
Thanks!!

[Niall Saunders]

Ignacio,

"Hannspree" and "Hanns.G" seem to be one and the same - however, my particular models are NOT 'current' models. I beieve that BOTH have been superceded at least one, if not two, years ago.

And, my setup did not happen 'overnight'. I spent many, many years with no desktop PC at all, relying instead on a series of notebook and laptop PCs instead. Then, as I started to use PI more and more, I realised that I needed a machine that would do the Power of PI some justice - so I purchased a Quad-core machine with Vista64 and 4Gb RAM and 2x320GB HDD. An excellent decision, and it meant that I was able to convince myself to invest the €350 in the 28" monitor at the same time (the whole package came to €1250, two years ago now).

As time went on, because I had chosen a desktop instead of a notebook, I was able to upgrade - hence the two auxiliary monitors (at €100 each, brand new!!) and a further upgrade to 8GB RAM, and the addition of two internal 1TB drives, in RAID mode, to complement the (now failed) external NAS 1TB RAID array.

Now, with the power of my desktop machine, I find that I am just making a TeamViewer 'Remote Desktop' connection to the main machine from a far less capable notebook whenever I need to be 'portable' - making my life MUCH simpler!

[Niall Saunders]

By the way Ignacio,

I had posted one of these images in the past, but this is a screenshot of how I currently set up my PI workspace (where my MS Outlook view, when enabled, sits 'on top of' the left-hand auxiliary monitor, and where my 'main' Firefox browser view sits full-screen on the main central monitor)



1:1 (3456 x 1366 pixels) at http://74.50.19.20/nsaunders/super_screen_lowres.jpg (0.5MB)