Author Topic: Oreols from Very Bright Star's - How to Handle Them MATHEMATICALLY...  (Read 7588 times)

Offline Yuriy Toropin

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... not artisticly via stamps in PI or PS? ;)

Please, check example below.

IMHO, it's pretty typical for this beautiful piece of the sky, dominated by Alnitak (Zeta Ori).
It's easy to count three systems of oreols around it on this picture, strange regular structure (mainly in blue), then - the wide green one and the superwide(?) in red.
Is there some approach that will allow to isolate these oreols and then accurately subtract them from image?
If no - any creative ideas on how to handle it?

I will really appreciate any inputs!

Sincerely,
   Yuriy

PS: BTW, why PI shows pictures "upside down" comparing to other packages like Maxim where picture will be show in its normal way with the Head raised UP? :)
« Last Edit: 2010 January 18 06:37:24 by Yuriy Toropin »

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PS: BTW, why PI shows pictures "upside down" comparing to other packages like Maxim where picture will be show in its normal way with the Head raised UP?

Try loading your image into FITSVIEW
http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/ftools/fv/

This is a 'defacto' image reader/viewer and should show your image 'as interpreted' directly from your (RAW) FITS file. If it is still 'upside down' in FV, then it was stored 'upside down' by your image capturing software.

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Offline Yuriy Toropin

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Hi Sergio, thanks a lot for your suggestion!

I've tried it, unfortunately, StarHaloReducer scripts doesn't give perfect solution, particularly - shape of oreol in my case is eliptical, bot circular, with this there are over- or undercorrected sectors, slices as a result of StarHaloReducer.
Also, it's not clear what to do with blue "mesh", regular structure, mainly in blue, around the star... :(

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why PI shows pictures "upside down" comparing to other packages like Maxim where picture will be show in its normal way with the Head raised UP?

Because by default, PI uses the "professional convention" for FITS image coordinates: vertical coordinates grow from bottom to top, and the origin of coordinates is the bottom left corner. This is the convention used by virtually all professional observatories (HST, CAHA, IAC, ESO, Gemini, ...) and CCD cameras.

The "amateur convention" is just the opposite: vertical coordinates grow from top to bottom and the origin is at the top left corner, just as in the rest of image formats.

Of course you can change the default FITS orientation:

- Open the Format Explorer window.

- Double click on the FITS item of the left column

- On the FITS Format Preferences dialog, select the "Upper left corner - up-bottom" option for Coordinate origin, in the Miscellaneous Options group box.

PI will remember your selection and will apply it to read and write FITS images.
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Offline Simon Hicks

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Hi all,

Looking at Yuriy's star and halo, I wonder if this could be tackled with some sort of DynamicBackgroundExtraction type algorithm that just works in a small vacinity around the star? Effectively you have a sky gradient close to the star that you want to divide out.

You might be able to place samples at selected positions around the star just as you do with DynamicBackgroundExtraction to define the background and maybe even the outer reaches of the halo. The points would include the background beyond the halo and maybe the central star iteself. This would allow all sorts of complex shape halos to be accounted for and for background levels on one side of the star to be completely different to the other side....just as you get with nebulosity around.

Just a thought.

Cheers
         Simon

Offline Yuriy Toropin

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- On the FITS Format Preferences dialog, select the "Upper left corner - up-bottom" option for Coordinate origin, in the Miscellaneous Options group box.
Thanks a lot for the tip. Juan, it helps! :)

Offline Yuriy Toropin

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Using PixelMath I was able to handle circular oreols and Gaussian one in green channel...
Now don't have any ideas what to do with those "crosses" patterns...  >:(  ???

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Hi Yuri,

in Calar Alto we're experimenting with techniques to sobstract nasty arctifacts. What we do is to make a photo of a very bright star in a relatively blank field (with no nebular objects). Then you can substract this image (erasing the star, of course) from the nebula image.

If you can have direct data, is better to avoid to make a model of it.


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Hi Vicent,

Thank you very much, you made very helpful and valid point!
Will try to folow this direction.

Regards,
   Yuriy

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Take care of placing the bright star near the same position as the bright star of your nebula image.


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