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Offline h0ughy

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Re: DSLR noise treatments?
« Reply #15 on: 2009 November 18 01:37:31 »
Those four example subs that your posted - what was the exposure time for each sub?

Also, presumably you are using the Bias frames to calibrate the Flats (as opposed to FlatDark frames)?

Did you deBayer inside the camera (in which case, did you save as TIFF or JPEG), or did you save as RAW, and thus relied on an external deBayer routine?

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they were taken straight from the raws - no conversion or enhancements (they were opened in CS4 just so i could layer the lot, crop a portion then save each layer seperately) then i saved for web because of the 128kb limit.  the bias was a dark bias - no dark flat bias's - never done any of those.  all taken iso 800 light wass 300 seconds, same for dark, bias was 1/4000 and the flat was about 1/250 i think?
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Re: DSLR noise treatments?
« Reply #16 on: 2009 November 18 02:00:02 »
So, I assume that you are using your 1/4000 Bias as a calibration frame for your Flat? And I also assume that you are taking the Bias frame as if it was a Dark, with the lens cap ON?

Personally, I would rather IGNORE the whole concept of Bias frames. They are just NOT necessary if you have the ability to control exposure time (which you do) and CCD temperature (which you can).

Instead of Bias frames (at 1/4000 sec) take FlatDarks (at 1/250s, or the same as your Flats).

Remember that a Flat and a FlatDark both contain (effectively) exactly the SAME 'bias' information and that, when you DarkSubtract the FlatDark from the Flat, you will successfully eliminate ALL traces of the Bias frame altogether (well, that's the theory, anyway).

And, exactly the same goes for your Light and (Light)Dark frames - dark calibration gets rid of the Bias information, as well as removing the Dark signal from your Light.

Does that make sense?

It shouldn't really affect the time taken for you to acquire the data. You will need to take, say, 20 FlatDarks at (say) 1/250" (whereas you might have been taking 20 BiasOffsets at 1/4000"). Overall, this is going to 'cost' you an extra 20 x 1/3750" - and I am sure that you will be able to spare that extra 5mS  ;D

Whether this eliminates the 'striping' or not is another matter altogether  >:(

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Re: DSLR noise treatments?
« Reply #17 on: 2009 November 20 16:20:25 »
I was just quickly skimming over this...
I am the guy who was all "in a dither" about trying to remove these streaks...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveh56/3868338463/sizes/o/in/set-72157622188544040/

I have found the use of "Kappa sigma MEDIAN" (in DSS) with a kappa of around 1.5,and 5-10 iterations works,when used with darks AND lites...
Mind you it takes like 30 minutes to stack...but I iron some shirts :laugh:
I am talking here about images taken with a Canon D1000...

I STILL have not figured out how to (easily) set up a dithering system,while guiding with PHD... ???
I think this WOULD also solve the problem,and improve my ability to use Drizzle in DSS...
I think dither is a secret that only the pro's know how to do...and they are not sharing !!

Dave
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