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Offline John_Gill

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Black artefacts in some star centers.
« on: 2018 May 22 02:38:00 »
Hi,

Using a APM APO 107-700 refractor and Canon 600d DSLR.  I have 3 hours of data from night 1 and a further 1 hour from night 2.  Each batch was processed separately and they look good.

I then took the "Debayered" images from each night and combined them with StarAlignment, ImageIntegration, LocalNormalization, DrizzleIntegration, DynamicCrop and PhotometricColorCalibration.  The result was great except about 40 stars scattered across the image have black artifacts in their centers.  These are not the brightest or big fat saturated stars.  I tried doing a " Repair HSV Separation" and then ChannelCombination, but that didn't help. I guess I can use CloneStamp but would prefer to fix the issue.

Any ideas would be appreciated.
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« Last Edit: 2018 May 22 03:16:50 by John_Gill »
APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
ZWO Optics - Autoguiding
ZWO1600mm and filters
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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #1 on: 2018 May 22 09:36:27 »
are the black artifacts right on the centers? sometimes artifacts at the edges of stars can be caused by the default Lancosz-3 interpolation method that StarAlignment uses. it might be worth playing with the clamping threshhold, or trying bicubic spline instead of Auto.

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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #2 on: 2018 May 22 10:02:33 »
Thanks Rob, I will give it a try.  I have attached a small preview of the strange stars .....
APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
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ZWO1600mm and filters
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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #3 on: 2018 May 22 11:04:26 »
ok, no that's something else. all 3 channels are like this? are all the calibrated subs like this? or just the integration?


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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #4 on: 2018 May 22 11:11:25 »
John

If you can't find a good or proper solution here are a couple of possible ways of making a mask for some of the offending stars. This isn't perfect and I would not suggest this as a first thing to do but it might come in handy.


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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #5 on: 2018 May 22 12:56:36 »
Hi,

The individual subs are perfect.  I have processed each nights batch separately without issue.  I then combined all the images, without drizzle and again no problem.  The artefacts only appear after doing the DrizzleIntegration.   I did a ChannelExtraction in RGB and in
CIE L* a*b and the artefacts exist in RGB and in the L channel.

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APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
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ZWO1600mm and filters
... when there are no clouds ...

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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #6 on: 2018 May 22 13:43:12 »
interesting. are you using pixel rejection in ImageIntegration or DrizzleIntegration? for fun you might try turning that off in each place in turn to see what happens.

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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #7 on: 2018 May 22 15:05:06 »
Hey Rob,

I did a DrizzleIntegration with Pixel Rejection turned off and no more funny artefacts.  Thank you for your help and suggestions.

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APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
ZWO Optics - Autoguiding
ZWO1600mm and filters
... when there are no clouds ...

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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #8 on: 2018 May 22 15:14:40 »
what is weird about this is that i vaguely remember that there was a bug similar to this regarding drizzle integration and pixel rejection, but i thought it had been fixed...

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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #9 on: 2018 May 22 15:31:54 »
rob

I think this is the bug you might be thinking about.
https://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=10362.msg65316#msg65316




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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #10 on: 2018 May 22 16:39:05 »
yes, that is it... John, is it possible you are using a downrev version of PI and/or updates have not been applied in a while?

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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #11 on: 2018 May 22 23:33:11 »
Hi,

My version is 01/08.05.1353 Ripley (x64) which I think is the latest version.  There have not been any updates for a few months.  This is running on a Windows 10 version 1709 laptop.

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APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
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ZWO1600mm and filters
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Re: Black artefacts in some star centers.
« Reply #12 on: 2018 May 26 20:05:37 »
I have not used the drizzle feature.

Can you use an roi over the stars during integration and check how the percentile/sigma/linear/high settings are affecting your stars at their given setting?  Sometimes I have issues with hotpixels not being rejected if the settings are to high.

Additionally, the only time I can remember coring out my stars was when I used cosmetic correction too aggressively, I realized after integrating that alot of my fainter undersampled stars had been hollowed out, while in my sample window I had not created any damage.