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Offline Warhen

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SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« on: 2014 April 21 06:54:42 »
Hello PI friends,

Please join us for SWAP 2014! The 2nd annual Southwest Astrophotography Seminar will be held October 29-31 at the Tucson Convention Center in Tucson, Arizona, USA. Watch for Registration to open soon http://www.scienceandastronomy.com/

While still early, it's time for both you and me to start preparing for Tucson 10/29-31 (BOO!), and ASAE- Arizona Science and Astronomy Expo on 11/1-2. We've already got an incredible lineup of speakers, including Rogelio Bernal Andreo, Ken Crawford and myself, all of whom will be covering some aspect of PixInsight.

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Not bad you say? Incredible we say! Thanks for your support and interest. Hope to see you in beautiful Tucson for Halloween! Don't forget the PixInsight workshop in Cambridge, MA.

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Best to you, Warren

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« Last Edit: 2014 April 27 15:46:20 by Warhen »
Best always, Warren

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Re: SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« Reply #1 on: 2014 April 24 07:36:56 »
Hi Warren,

Most of the information you provide in your post has nothing to do with PixInsight. This is not a general astrophotography or astronomy forum, so from now on please avoid promoting events, talks and presentations unrelated to PixInsight, and very especially if they are related to competing applications. See the board rules. You can of course post a note to inform exclusively on the presentations you'll give on PixInsight. Thank you.
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Re: SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« Reply #2 on: 2014 April 27 15:47:30 »
Dear Juan, I am very sorry indeed that this presented a problem. My relationship with you is very important to me. I am a very enthusiastic PI user, as well as a PI evangelist- it did not occur to me that this would be a problem. This is a significant opportunity for imagers in the American southwest to have introductory and advanced presentations on PixInsight. Admittedly, there are other talks which don't directly serve PI's cause, and as you say- one which will cover the other 'P' word. I respectfully submit however, that what is good for astrophotography in general is good for PixInsight, because, eventually most roads will lead deep-sky astro-imagers to it anyway.

I have altered the post. In the future, please feel free to contact me privately. I value your support of our efforts and your friendship.
Best always, Warren

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Re: SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« Reply #3 on: 2014 April 27 16:15:14 »
Personally, I feel that the additional information about the event in Warren's original post was appropriate, and highlighted PI properly. The additional information encouraged me to attend the event and the PI presentations, which seems to me to be useful for the PI community.  Context is always helpful, and that is how I took his original post.
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Re: SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« Reply #4 on: 2014 April 28 03:41:36 »
Hi Warren,

Your post is now perfect; thank you for editing it. Thank you so much also for adding a note on our next PixInsight workshop at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Cambridge, MA.

As professional software developers, one of the elements that condition our work is the fact that our market is composed chiefly of amateur astronomers. For this reason our users often see us as amateurs, and hence they sometimes expect us to behave as amateurs, but we are not—cannot be—amateurs. Although we love them, astronomy and astrophotography are neither our hobbies nor something necessarily funny for us. Bear in mind that nothing is helping us. At the contrary, we have to overcome a number of obstacles and challenges that invariably put us in a disadvantageous position to compete in this market. Each achievement, each little success or milestone with PixInsight costs us a huge effort. At the risk of being repetitive (I already have said this recently on this forum), there are no jokes here: we have to sell licenses to pay salaries and invoices.

I invite you to make a quick test on this forum. Log in with your forum user account and search for the words PixInsight and Photoshop. As of writing this post, the results are: PixInsight generates 30 search results and Photoshop 438. Admittedly, some results for Photoshop refer to posts or sentences that criticize the application, and there are probably many more posts and sentences that refer to PixInsight as "PI" or similar abbreviations—although then we should count also posts and sentences referring to Photoshop as "PS", as well as posts criticizing PixInsight. Not a rigorous statistical result by any means, but a worrying finding to say the least. As you probably figure out, we are not sponsored by Adobe Systems Incorporated.

what is good for astrophotography in general is good for PixInsight

As a software development company we have a vision and a mission with PixInsight. Quoted from the About Us page on our website:

Astrophotography is a unique mixture of art, science and technology. It is documentary photography, where retouching, painting and other arbitrary manipulation practices have no place. Our mission is to help you improve your imaging projects through the development of your image processing knowledge.

So our concepts of what is good for astrophotography may differ.

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what is good for astrophotography in general is good for PixInsight, because, eventually most roads will lead deep-sky astro-imagers to it anyway.

Unfortunately, our experience tells us otherwise. Some software applications are ideal vectors to spread retouching and manual manipulation practices that are incompatible with astrophotography in our opinion. There are also applications promoting the concept of "black box" where "you don't have to think because we already think for you". None of these roads will lead people to PixInsight without a considerable prior effort to forget wrong concepts and bad practices. Good education can be useful. Bad education is never useless: it always hurts.

I also value your support and your friendship highly, as well as those of our users and forum members; we would be nothing without them.
Juan Conejero
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Re: SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« Reply #5 on: 2014 June 14 05:38:40 »
Hello friends, SWAP registration is now open. Please join us!

http://www.scienceandastronomy.com/swap-2014/
Best always, Warren

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Re: SWAP 2014- Southwest Astrophotography Seminar
« Reply #6 on: 2014 September 13 16:08:28 »
Only two months to go! We'd love to see you out http://www.scienceandastronomy.com/swap-2014/ I'll give an introduction to PixInsight, laying the foundation for RBA's intermediate-advanced class. Come on out to Tucson for Halloween!
Best always, Warren

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