Author Topic: Planetarium Software - what do you use to plan your shots/mosaics  (Read 5642 times)

Offline cs_pixinsight

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I've come to the realization that having some good planetarium software would be helpful in planning my targets and mosaics of those targets (overlap, fov for camera lenses/scopes, multiple fov rectangles, etc).  I saw a plan layout on RBAs site (http://blog.deepskycolors.com/archivo/2011/10/29/the-making-of-Clouds-of-Perseus--Part-.html) and thought that would really help and started wondering what options are available, which are the most popular and which ones do what I need.

Here's what I think would be desired: 
   Show Field of View (FOV) rectangle for camera lens/scope.
   Allow placing overlapping FOV rectangles
   Realistic light pollution simulation
   Good catalog support for nebula, clusters, asterisms, etc.; so Messier and NGC objects (with pictures imbedded)
   Catalog search
   Realistic sky/atmosphere
   Time control

I've just been using heywhatsthat.com/cosmic along with Google Earth/Sky, but neither help in determining proper FOV/focal length to use for single and mosaic type shots.  If you use some software program/web site to plan your outings I'd love to hear your experiences and why you are currently using it.

Thanks,
Craig

Offline Luigi

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I use TheSkyX as my planetarium program, in conjunction with CCDAutopilot.

TheSkyX has FOV indicators for many cameras, like my ST-10XME. You can also create custom FOV indicators as well.

With both programs linked, I find my target in TheSkyX, frame the target the way I wish (rotate for guide star or move fom the catalog coordinates) and 'import' that into CCDAutopilot.

TheSkyX has lots of visual bells and whistles but frankly I don't care about the pretty screen at all; I need it to plan my targets and do astrometric solutions.

Once the target is in CCDAutopilot I use that to plan my frames (number, filters, etc).

I haven't done any mosaics, but both TheSkyX and CCDAutopilot can handle them.

CCDAutopilot can execute an entire imaging run for me while I sleep  :)
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Offline chris_todd

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Here's what I think would be desired: 
1   Show Field of View (FOV) rectangle for camera lens/scope.
2   Allow placing overlapping FOV rectangles
3   Realistic light pollution simulation
4   Good catalog support for nebula, clusters, asterisms, etc.; so Messier and NGC objects (with pictures imbedded)
5   Catalog search
6   Realistic sky/atmosphere
7   Time control

I use Astroplanner, which is more of a planning app than a planetarium. 

Of the features listed above, I know it will do #1, #4, #5, and #7.  In the "Field of View" tab for a selected object in your plan, it will only show one FOV rectangle for the imager/telescope combination selected, but you can also move the FOV to guesstimate where each subsequent FOV needs to be pointed, and obtain the RA/DEC for the center of the new FOV pretty easily.  You could then add that RA/DEC point to your plan (by right-clicking in the FOV and selecting "Add object to plan").

Astroplanner also does mount control, so you could easily construct a plan that contains one "object" for each panel of your mosaic, and then use AP to slew to each "object".  I use an Astrotrac, so I don't do that, but it would be a useful feature for anyone with a more capable mount.

As for "Realistic light pollution simulation", I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for there - perhaps an estimate of the longest exposure you can do given sky brightness?  If so, the developer (Paul Rodman) might be able to develop a script for that, assuming one doesn't already exist.  And as for "realistic sky/atmosphere", AP can tell you the air mass and other extinction parameters for a given object at a given time, and you can also setup horizons for your observing locations, and AP will take those into account when calculating "visibility" for a given site and date/time.

It's powerful software, and I use it regularly at home and in the field.  Probably the best fifty bucks I've ever spent in this hobby.  It's not the only such software out there, but it's the one I use.

HTH,
Chris
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I use TheSky6, and have done so for some years, with great success.

I have the FOVs for all of my scopes, cameras, and focal reducer combinations programmed in, which makes it very easy to plan an imaging session, knowing which combination will produce the best image scale for the subject of interest.

I used it to control (ASCOM) both of my LX200 mounts, and now with an NEQ6 via EQMOD.

Prior to this I used Starry Night Pro, but this never impressed me.

Looked at upgrading to TheSkyX, but found that it offered no real advantage over the TheSky6 as far as my requirements go.

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I'll put in a word for SkyTools 3 Pro for observing session planning. For me, ST3 and TheSkyX provide all the information I can use.

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Thanks for the replies folks.  These all seem fairly capable, but none of them seem to provide mosaic planning capabilities (at least that I could find in their list of features).  For the price of some of these, I'm quite surprised - they should do the dishes  ;).

It seems that Stellarium using the ocular plug-in will give me the FOV planning I need on single shots and I guess I'll just screen shot and pull that into Photoshop and use layers to plan the mosaics.  More effort, but as a free planetarium software it competes quite well with these much more expensive apps.

Thanks again,
Craig