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Offline Enzo De Bernardini

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Noise Comparison
« on: 2010 December 15 22:55:49 »
Hello,

I have a question related to the noise comparison between two images. If I want to compare two darks from two different cameras (or another pair of images) using the NoiseEvaluation script, and I get these results...

Dark 1
* Channel #0
?R = 2.258e-003, N = 20114058 (95.13%)

* Channel #1
?G = 1.303e-003, N = 12001704 (56.76%)

* Channel #2
?B = 1.237e-003, N = 20115017 (95.13%)


Dark 2
* Channel #0
?R = 2.462e-003, N = 19645129 (92.91%)

* Channel #1
?G = 1.341e-003, N = 8608480 (40.71%)

* Channel #2
?B = 1.335e-003, N = 19606115 (92.72%)


...is it OK to derive these results?:

R = +9.03%
G = +2.92%
B = +7.92%

Average: +6.62%


For example:

100 - ( 2.462e-003 * 100 ) / 2.258e-003 = 9.03

Is this the correct way to compare the noise between two images?

Best regards,

Enzo.

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Re: Noise Comparison
« Reply #1 on: 2010 December 22 03:38:40 »
Hi Enzo,

Sorry for the delay in answering your interesting question. The noise evaluation script computes the standard deviation of the Gaussian noise, that is, assuming that the noise has a Gaussian distribution in the image. For comparison purposes, the underlying distribution isn't important as long as we make the same assumptions in all cases.

First a word of caution. In general, these comparisons are risky. Comparisons based on noise estimates must always be taken with a grain of salt unless we have tight control over the images and the processes applied. If the images are dissimilar, or if they have been preprocessed/postprocessed with different software packages, or even with different algorithms inside the same package, the comparisons can be completely meaningless.

That said, from the console text included in your post it seems that you're comparing dark frames. Since these are raw images by definition, we know that the images you're comparing have not been previously processed. Dark frames are also quite similar images (a dark frame is just a noise pattern). Under these conditions, I think that comparing these noise estimates is reasonable.
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Re: Noise Comparison
« Reply #2 on: 2010 December 22 07:46:57 »
Thanks Juan!, is just what I needed to know.

Yes, in this case the two images are raw darkframes, without any processing.

This is the particular case: a friend of mine bought a new camera and sent me two darks taken under the same conditions (one for each camera) for comparison ("visual comparison"). I happened to use the script NoiseEvaluation and quantify the difference. But then something interesting happened: with 180 seconds dakrframes the difference was only about +6%, whereas with a 120 seconds darkframes on average the difference was about +28%. Why might have expanded the difference between the two sample darkframes?. The contribution of readout noise maybe? The compared cameras are two Canon 5D Mark II modified.

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Re: Noise Comparison
« Reply #3 on: 2010 December 22 09:10:33 »
It sound logic. If it is noise of reading a comparison of bias might be useful.