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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #15 on: 2011 May 15 10:54:05 »
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(.....peer pressure)

Peer pressure, what's that? :) And, with RBA in the front row, I can always get him to answer the tough questions. :D

Do appreciate the support and encouragement and, Jack, thanks for the suggestions. The workshop is only one hour so it will be a challenge to decide what to include. Also, not sure what the PI experience of the audience is likely to be. I suspect there will be enough there with little or no experience which I will need to take into account. I haven't begun to put anything together yet but my initial thoughts are to start by introducing and demonstrating some of PI's unique user interface. Simple thinks like Previews, the Image container, History explorer, where to find and how to use Process modules and icons....etc. Then the bulk of the time devoted to demonstrating how I use the various tools to process an image probably emphasizing the tools unique to PI. You know, the ones with the funny names that scare everyone away. :D

And, don't mind and in fact, appreciate any suggestions from this elite and experienced group.

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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #16 on: 2011 May 15 11:12:29 »

Steve,

that is indeed the trouble with these types of workshops. You attract both curious newcomers and old salts. I would gear the preso towards newcomers and make this clear at the beginning and perhaps even on the AIC site. For my MWAIC presentation I actually put up a slide poking fun at PI's unjustified reputation for being hard to use. I ended up doing some advanced topics but threw in an explanation about the basics when possible.

Perhaps the following would be good processes to cover:

- histogram
- curves
- acdnr

These are relatively easy to explain because they have similar tools in PS. This will allow you to show how much better PI is even at the basics. Be sure to do things like resizing the process dialogs to show how the graphs resize and zooming in/out to find detail etc. Not to mention real time preview of course.

I was terrified I'd run out of material before my hour was up and ended up with 4 topics when really I could barely cover 2 after the introduction was done. I probably wasted a lot of prep time with that extra material but I felt good having extra stuff in my back pocket. Of course everyone is different in that regard and I was doing a presentation on a stage rather than sitting behind a table in a relatively small room. I was delighted when it was over :)

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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #17 on: 2011 May 15 13:22:08 »
That t-rex image is hilarious but one has to be careful... Some of the audience can be sensitive and you need to turn the wheel really fast!

I think the suggestion to present tools that are somewhat familiar to non-PixInsight users is a good strategy.


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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #18 on: 2011 May 15 13:30:40 »
Sander, that was only because I needed correction<G>.  Something Steve will not require.
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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #19 on: 2011 May 15 13:36:16 »
I was delighted when it was over :)

If you're not having a good time, it's harder to give the audience a good time.

Workshops are smaller and much more manageable than podium-like presentations, but FWIF, speaking in front of a large audience can be a bit intimidating, and the trick to imagine everyone in the room is naked does NOT work (at best you'd be grossed out, unless your topic is "How to be a good model for Victoria's Secret"), but if you're the nervous type (not you Sander or Steve in particular) and know your stuff, the nervousness shouldn't last more than 2-3 minutes. Then, work on inspiring the audience! Have a good entrance and also a good ending. It's kind of lame to go on a presentation doing blah blah blah... blah blah blah... the thank you slide comes up, and thank you very much without a nice closing... (I know, I've done that). But I'm not a seasoned speaker by any means and this may not be a topic to discuss here in depth.
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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #20 on: 2011 May 15 13:39:39 »
Neil Flemming told me before the presentation "don't worry about it, you're among friends". That helped a lot. I was generally fine during the presentation but half way in I thought "oh no, another half an hour to go!". Then that flew by and things went fine. Well, I think they went fine anyway. Come to think about it, they asked Steve to do the AIC preso and not me!  ;D
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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #21 on: 2011 May 15 23:44:53 »
This is a really interesting thread, seeing someone `thinking out loud' and getting suggestions while they prepare an AIC presentation.

I like the idea of comparing ways of doing things in PI with their counterparts in PS. Perhaps RBA did that last year, I'm not sure. But if not, that might be a good way to go, IF it can be done in a way that doesn't sound too `snooty' or confrontational. Basically, if you were doing this, you'd want to somehow assure the audience that although you like PI better, you've got nothing against people using PS, and that everyone should do what they're comfortable with. No putting-down of PS. But, then you'd show some things that are hard to do in PS, and easier in PI. That way, people are already comfortable, and not feeling put-down, and suddenly they say `ah-ha! Look at how much easier it is to make this single histogram stretch, than to iterate Basic Curve + Levels!' (or whatever the example is).

One thing that might blow them away - again, assuming it wasn't a big point of RBAs last year - would be the color-noise reduction routines in LRGB combination. That spun my head around when I first did it.

Maybe some star-shrinking and star-desaturating, after applying star masks. There were some MW widefields posted recently in the Gallery, and they showed versions where the `carpet of stars' had been de-emphasized. That might grab 'em.

Dragging one image onto another image's `side border' (or whatever it's called) to make a mask is pretty handy, maybe that would look good.

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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #22 on: 2011 May 16 05:35:38 »
Oh I wouldn't mention PS at all. In fact I have never used it so I can't speak about it with authority. But histograms and curves are basic tools that all image processing apps provide but PI does so much better.
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Re: PixInsight Workshop at AIC 2011
« Reply #23 on: 2011 June 05 19:24:31 »
I look forward to the presentation, Steve....and meeting many of you again and some for the first time.

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