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Offline Emanuele

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Why calibration seems not working?
« on: 2010 August 09 09:41:54 »
So, yesterday night I had to resort to using a 2" extension for my ML8300 because it seems my adapter is of the wrong distance.
but anyway, this is a test shot of 4x15min of Stephan's Quintet.
I shot 31 Dark frames at -20C and 15 min. Average combination and Average Sigma Clip rejection.

Seems to me that I am not calibrating anything. The noise level in the two frames is exactly the same. Am I missing something?

Thank you,
E.

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Re: Why calibration seems not working?
« Reply #1 on: 2010 August 09 09:50:01 »
Hi Emanuele,

it's working, look at it carefully. At left, you have some hot pixels that are not present in the image at right. Do a blinking between both images and you will see it clearly.


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Re: Why calibration seems not working?
« Reply #2 on: 2010 August 09 10:26:55 »
Thanks Vincent,

yes, I saw that, but I was expecting to get a noise free image, but that is not the case. Seems like it only removed outliers. The background noise is still there and thus the background is not smooth....


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Re: Why calibration seems not working?
« Reply #3 on: 2010 August 09 10:41:41 »
That's photon noise. And that's why we invest hours and hours exposing our cameras. Calibration cannot correct photon noise from the object signal; the only solution is to collect more and more photons to have less uncertainty in signal quantity.

But hey, now you know that you have *only* the objects in your image, and that your data is instrumental artifact free. That's the nice advantage of digital versus film astrophotography. Isn't nice?  O0


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Re: Why calibration seems not working?
« Reply #4 on: 2010 August 09 10:42:13 »
That's photon noise. And that's why we invest hours and hours exposing our cameras. Calibration cannot correct photon noise from the object signal; the only solution is to collect more and more photons to have less uncertainty in signal quantity.

But hey, now you know that you have *only* the objects in your image, and that your data is instrumental artifact free. That's the great advantage of digital versus film astrophotography. Isn't nice?  O0


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Re: Why calibration seems not working?
« Reply #5 on: 2010 August 09 11:24:27 »
Makes sense Vincent, thank you :)

This is my first image with a Mono CCD and first calibration. I always used Sony chips and never shot darks...

E.


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Re: Why calibration seems not working?
« Reply #6 on: 2010 August 09 15:11:50 »
Sony chips still have shot noise.
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