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Offline Stephane Murphy

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PI deconvolution tutorial
« on: 2009 June 10 06:20:34 »
Hi, I was wondering where I can find a good tutorial on PI de-convolution. Most precisely I would like to learn enough to make educated decisions when applying de-convolution.

I am currently working on M13 and did run PI de-convolution but I must admit it was mostly by try and error and not sure the result is correct:

http://www.stonecreekobservatory.com/cdk/m13_3_small.jpg

Some of my interest would be for example
1- How to decide if the PSF is correct for a given image
2- How to setup the correct values for PI de-convolution dialog box

I read the following material but I would like to learn more in the PI context.
http://quarktet.com/BlindDecon.html
http://support.svi.nl/wiki/HuygensDeconvolution
http://support.svi.nl/wiki/PointSpreadFunction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_spread_function

Thanks in advance,
Stephane

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Offline Niall Saunders

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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #1 on: 2009 June 10 09:58:41 »
Hi Stephane,

A very good explanation of deconvolution is available in "The Handbook of Astronomical Imaging" (HAIP), which is supplied with the excellent AIP4WIN program.

Although it is easy, and fair, to say that PixInsight is FAR more comprehensive than AIP4WIN, it is also fair to say that HAIP provides a thorough, detailed, yet easy to follow, explanation into all of the mathematical theory behind what astro-imagers are trying to achieve.

I reckon that AIP4WIN / HAIP should be in every serious astro-imager's inventory, right alongside PixInsight and their membership of this Forum  :D

HTH
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #2 on: 2009 June 10 10:25:19 »
Thanks Niall, I do have the AIP book and completely forget to refer to it! Good reading tonight!
Stephane
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #3 on: 2009 June 11 03:04:12 »
Stephane,
in one of the processing example (don't remember which one...) there's an explanation about calculating the PSF from FWHM of your image that could be a good starting point.

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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #4 on: 2009 June 11 08:40:27 »
I was wondering if there is a way to do this PI. It is easy to do in some other programs.

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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #5 on: 2009 June 11 16:21:42 »
Hi Max,

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I was wondering if there is a way to do this PI. It is easy to do in some other programs.

Indeed we lack a tool (which is relatively simple, in fact) to compute FWHM from sampled stars. This could also be automated (you know, detect a large number of stars in the image and model them as Gaussian functions).

This is a long time pending task. Added to the to-do list for version 1.6 ;)
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #6 on: 2009 June 11 16:28:07 »
Hi Andrea,

in one of the processing example (don't remember which one...) there's an explanation about calculating the PSF from FWHM of your image that could be a good starting point.

Yes, this is the tutorial:

http://pixinsight.com/examples/deconvolution/Gemini-NGC5189/en.html

(BTW, a large part of this tutorial is now obsolete due to improvements in the Deconvolution tool, especially the new deringing features).

Calculation of PSF parameters is described in the section entitled "The Point Spread Function", under "Step 7: Deconvolution".

In this tutorial you can also read a general description of deconvolution that I wrote. I don't know if it's clear/legible but I tried to do my best :)
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #7 on: 2009 June 11 16:37:36 »
Hi Stephan,

That M13 image is very nice!

I plan on making a video tutorial on deconvolution, at least to cover the basic procedures. The last version of the Deconvolution tool offers a lot of possibilities, especially thanks to the new deringing algorithms implemented since PI 1.5.2. With an efficient deringing, we can deconvolve images that previously were almost impossible.
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #8 on: 2009 June 11 23:55:08 »
Hi Juan,

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Indeed we lack a tool (which is relatively simple, in fact) to compute FWHM from sampled stars

Remember, it would be nice to be able to visualise FWHM in both the X-axis and the Y-axis, over the whole image. Think CCDInspector, if you will.

Cheers,
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Niall Saunders
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #9 on: 2009 June 12 05:18:44 »
Thanks Juan for the info.
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #10 on: 2009 December 08 05:02:20 »
This is a long time pending task. Added to the to-do list for version 1.6 ;)
Juan, it's true? I am happy :) :) :)


Think CCDInspector, if you will.
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Re: PI deconvolution tutorial
« Reply #11 on: 2010 January 03 10:37:48 »
Hi Nikolay,

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Juan, it's true? I am happy

Yes, that's true, but more likely for 1.7 instead of 1.6. The reason is that 1.6 is becoming too "charged" of tasks now, and I don't want to postpone it too much. We'll see... anyway, the lack of a PSF modeling tool is serious and will be fixed as soon as possible.
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