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Offline sreilly

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Odd Image Reflections...
« on: 2019 January 27 11:07:13 »
and no idea the source. Looking for detectives to see if there are any rational avenues to follow to rid myself of the rare but destroying artifacts. The latest victim is NGC2359. Maybe this will explain it better.

So I started imaging NGC2359 back in 2016 and have acquired some data every year since but one thing that plagues the images is an artifact that really is something I don’t seem to be able to track down it’s source. I’m not sure if it’s a defect in the flattener, a reflection in the ota, or something in the imaging train. My suspicions are with the flattener but I don’t know how to qualify that. For the record it isn’t an AP flattener and this is using my OGS 12.5” RC with the STL-11002M with optional filter wheel. This type of artifact randomly seems to appear in various images. Let me qualify that, it may appear in some images of the same object regardless of filter used while in other images of different objects there are no traces whatsoever and everything looks normal. Of the images I’ve seen this is LBN999, where there seems to be 3 sets of these arcs while in NGC2359 there is only one and they are in different locations. With Thor’s Helmet I choose a different guide star moving from a PA of 154 to 323 and saw the artifact keep basically the same orientation to the nebula rotated almost 180 degrees. The LBN999 image appears to have 3 sets of these in a triangle in the lower left corner of the image. Image Linking these in TheSkyX shows no extremely bright light sources close to the FOVi.

Any suggestions on how to try and find the source of these artifacts and a possible cure? The one way I think this can be resolved is to remove the flattener and live with the less than round stars in the outer borders of the images but that would be the last resort I would hope. In order to remove this and add spacers to properly distance the sensor would be a good deal of work, doable but not that easily. And then of course I’d need a clear night to test. Plus the library of flats from with the flattener is now useless on new images and a new library would again need to be built. Of course the easiest of all solutions is to accept the fact that I can't image certain objects and simply pass on those. But my heritage has a bit of Irish and that means stubborn of course. All kidding aside, finding the root cause would be the best solution so I could resolve and move on.

Thanks for any suggestions. The images in question can be found here. Actually there are 3 web pages created at different times and they are linked together here https://www.astral-imaging.com/reflections.html.

-Steve
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Re: Odd Image Reflections...
« Reply #1 on: 2019 January 27 11:27:03 »
could be a bright star at the edge of the FOV of the sensor? not sure i've ever seen the 'donut shape' (usually it is a crazy spike) but i suppose its worth investigating with a planetarium program that can show the FOV of your sensor/telescope.

rob

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Re: Odd Image Reflections...
« Reply #2 on: 2019 January 27 11:38:48 »
That was my first thought and checked via Image Link in TheSky X. Wish it could be that easy.
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Re: Odd Image Reflections...
« Reply #3 on: 2019 January 27 11:39:25 »
And....
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Re: Odd Image Reflections...
« Reply #4 on: 2019 January 27 22:04:14 »
SAO 152651 is 7th magnitude
SAO 152704 is 8th magnitude
and there are others.
So there are plenty of stars that are potentially complicit.
The fact that you rotate and still see the same result implies circular symmetry- which points to either your backend tube, adapter, and most likely the edge of some optics (like a flattener).
Given the size of your artifact- it is likely something "far" from the chip... again a lens upstream sure fits the bill.
The light from stars well outside (think 2 to 3 times) your field of view can cause issues.
Sometimes flocking/painting can solve the problem.

The more common type of flare is specular scattering off of a bit of electronics/conductor near the edge of the chip and its environs.
You might enjoy reading:

http://www.astronomy.com/magazine/adam-block/2015/08/when-light-strays-part-1

-adam

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Re: Odd Image Reflections...
« Reply #5 on: 2019 January 27 22:40:59 »
yep - with my lowly refractor i've seen reflection artifacts that are caused by a star more than a chip FOV away from the artifact. i was surprised by this but since it was a mosaic i could just delete the data with the reflection and rely on another pane to fill in the data.

rob