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Offline John_Gill

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The case of the missing stars ...
« on: 2017 April 18 07:10:55 »
Hi,

The camera is a Canon 600d.  I am following Kayron's tutorial on PreProcessing.  This has worked perfectly on other images before.

I have a bunch of Lights, Darks, Flats and Bias.  I create the Super_Master_Bias, Master_Darks, Master_Flats and all is good.
Next onto the Lights, I do the Calibrate and I inspect the results and I see 50 stars and the Planetary Nebula.
I skip the CosmeticCorrection and then proceed to the Debayer.  I run the script on the Calibration frames and inspect the results,
again I can see the 50 stars and the PN. Again all good.
Next up is StarAlignment of the Debayered Frames and again I see the 50 stars and the PN in the Registered files. So far so good.
Now I run the ImageIntergration on the Registered frames and this completes successfully.
Here is the strange stuff.  The "rejection_high" show all the stars and PN have trails of about 3 mm, the "rejection_low" shows two tiny spots and the "intergration_new" shows 5 hot pixels, the PN and no stars .... If I STF the file I can see faint stars with trails.

Where did my stars go, any ideas will be much appreciated.

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John
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Offline Niall Saunders

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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #1 on: 2017 April 18 07:38:23 »
Hi John,

Have you tried running ImageIntegration with the Pixel Rejection algorithm 'turned off'?
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Niall Saunders
Clinterty Observatories
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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #2 on: 2017 April 18 10:07:10 »
Hi Niall,

I tried the "no rejection" and the end result is that I can see the stars, but they all have trails.  The raw images were pretty good and using Blink there is very little "movement" between each image and no star trails.

mmmh, still confused :)
John
APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
ZWO Optics - Autoguiding
ZWO1600mm and filters
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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #3 on: 2017 April 18 13:47:38 »
Hi John,

You said that you had star movement when you used Blink with the 'raw' images - what about when you used Blink with your 'aligned' images, do you still see movement?

I will certainly admit that, on more than one occasion, I have processed the 'wrong' set of images during the calibration phase. With all the Flats, Darks, Biases and calibrated versions thereof, it can be quite easy to make a mistake. Perhaps revisit your process, and work back through the stages slowly and methodically (making good use of prefix and postfix options when avaiable, as well as careful selection of output directories).

My brain is now old and tired - so I am creating a 'cheat-sheet' that will guide me through the image acquisition phase (I made a simple mistake a few nights agp, and 'lost' 4 hours of 10-minute subs just because I had not set the TEC temperature correctly  :yell: ), as well as through the pre-processing phase and the fundamental Crop/DBE/Colour Calibration steps that every master image needs at the start of post-processing. I also have used (for years now) a solid directory structure that keeps all the image data exactly where I need it to be for each and every object that I image. And, I am now using the "RegEx ReName" utility to get my source data collated in the way that is most meaningful to me.

Of course, not everybody will want all this 'hassle' - many just image, chuck their raw data at some calibration process that they are used to, and then throw a bunch of standard PixInsight processes at their master data to get a final image that they are happy with. I have described two extreme ends of the astro-imaging process, you will have to decide where 'you' want to fit in  :police:  :police:  :police:
Cheers,
Niall Saunders
Clinterty Observatories
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Altair Astro GSO 10" f/8 Ritchey Chrétien CF OTA on EQ8 mount with homebrew 3D Balance and Pier
Moonfish ED80 APO & Celestron Omni XLT 120
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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #4 on: 2017 April 18 14:04:59 »
Just a thought but it sounds like StarAlignment is aligning on hot pixels and not stars.


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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #5 on: 2017 April 19 01:51:56 »
Hi Niall and Mike,

Thanks for your input.  I re-re-re processed the images and reset everything to the defaults and I seem to have a decent outcome.  Most likely I did not click something or clicked the wrong thing :(  I have also created a "cheat-sheet" for the doing a manual "Rack, Pack and Stack" as well as a processing work-flow.  These are based on Kayron's tutorials.  As an IT guy I have a very structured directory, but I might have processed a strange mixture of images ... perhaps this is a sign of old-age or too much whiskey!

Once again thanks for your help.
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John
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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #6 on: 2017 April 19 12:44:04 »
My advice: avoid the booze between 50 and 70, after that and you might as well enjoy yourself  ::)
Cheers,
Niall Saunders
Clinterty Observatories
Aberdeen, UK

Altair Astro GSO 10" f/8 Ritchey Chrétien CF OTA on EQ8 mount with homebrew 3D Balance and Pier
Moonfish ED80 APO & Celestron Omni XLT 120
QHY10 CCD & QHY5L-II Colour
9mm TS-OAG and Meade DSI-IIC

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Re: The case of the missing stars ...
« Reply #7 on: 2017 May 01 04:31:26 »
 :tongue: :-[ :-\

mmmh, weird stuff happening with my latest images, but Eureka! With the ImageIntergration add the "Registered" files not the "Calibrated" .... repeat after me ....

Looking up
John
APM 107/700 apo on CGX mount
ZWO Optics - Autoguiding
ZWO1600mm and filters
... when there are no clouds ...