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esraguin

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« on: 2009 February 03 03:10:16 »
This is more in hope ,but i would like to have a published manual of Pixinsght. I would be more than happy to pay for such a reference book so i could carry it around with me on my travels, learning all the processes in this wonderful software with a book you can pick up at any time would be a great.

All the tutorials/video,s online are great when online, but some of us like to read info at our own pace. :idea:

Thanks for a wonderful tool.

Alex Wilson

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« Reply #1 on: 2009 February 03 03:39:35 »
Hi Alex,

I know it doesn't answer your whole question, but you can download the videos onto your computer and watch them at your leisure even when off-line.

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« Reply #2 on: 2009 February 03 11:23:42 »
I am sure the problem is time for the authors.  I find the videos a better teaching tool  than a maunal.

I did spend a lot of time going over the old LE manual and all the form posts since a manual was not availible. There is a lot of details on the forums along with the tutorials and examples.

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« Reply #3 on: 2009 February 03 12:23:44 »
Thanks for your comments guys,like everybody i use all the online help ie video,s tutorials ect, all im saying is ,in the future a combined reference book would be a helpfull guide along with the online stuff.

Alex Wilson

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« Reply #4 on: 2009 February 03 17:09:49 »
I know this has been a recurring topic, and the video tutorials are just great. But I also feel that sometimes a reference showing the many processes with their numerous options and giving hints on how to use them would be very helpful as well. A video tutorial just cannot go into this level of detail.

It might also help to assemble a collection for links to forum postings that focus on the use of a specific processes. Sometimes the most relevant postings are just difficult to find in the wealth of information.

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« Reply #5 on: 2009 February 03 18:46:56 »
Perhaps a a online wiki manual allowing multiple contributors and links to tutorials etc

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« Reply #6 on: 2009 February 04 02:55:57 »
Hello Alex, Simon, Max, Georg,

I understand you, and I completely agree that a written manual for each process would be great. However, writing such a manual is just impossible now. Remember that I am the "one-man band" guy (great historic James Taylor album by the way :) ).

To write such a monumental work, I'd have to stop development completely, stop all video tutorials and all processing examples, and concentrate during many months on the hard task of documenting every process and every parameter. Of course, this would include screen shots and practical examples to demonstrate what each parameter does and why; a text-only manual would be useless. Take into account that I also have to provide email and forum support on a daily basis, along with bug fixes, which are time-consuming tasks.

If I'd stop active development, PixInsight would be a dead project very soon. This is an extremely competing micro-world, and there are quite a few guys out there that would be extremely happy to see PixInsight in the cemetery of failed software projects. If just to annoy them a little, I'll keep them from getting what they want :D

And guess what? After all of that work, many users wouldn't read a word. An example is PixInsight LE's documentation. It took me five months to write it (from May to September 2004, if I remember well), and I just documented most parts of the user interface, and just the most important processes. It's true that in 2009 I have more resources and much more experience, but this gives you an idea of what we're talking about. Even today, most PixInsight LE users don't read the documentation at all (I sometimes read things on some forums that make me laugh or cry, depending on my mood :) ).

Regarding documentation and learning material, this is my current plan in priority order:

1. Video tutorials. I think this is the best tool we have to teach our users. This is my highest priority at this moment. Besides the fact that a video shows lots of things that just cannot be described with written words, I can produce video tutorials, even extremely complex ones, in a fraction of the time required to write a tutorial or a processing example (thanks to Alex (the Mac voice), of course ;) ).

2. Written processing examples. In my opinion, written processing examples are much more useful than a per-process documentation to communicate how the different tools work and their practical usage. A written example is much less expressive than a video tutorial, but it can show more "detail", so to say.

(Aside: An example (video or written) has a great advantage over a per-process manual: it shows how the different tools can interact through a real step-by-step processing example. Many tools really don't make any sense but if used in the context of a specific workflow. For example, you cannot explain HDRWT well without stretching the image. You cannot explain noise reduction well without wavelets, etc.)

3. Written tutorials on specific tools. There are tools and processes that require written documentation. An example is PixelMath. This tool needs a reference manual, just as a programming language does. The whole scripting system also falls into this category.

4. User interface documentation. The GUI requires some written documentation. For example, a list of keyboard shortcuts on all platforms, and a list of mouse actions. An overall introduction would also be desirable. Other than these, I think the GUI can be much better described by means of video tutorials, instead of (boring?) written descriptions.
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« Reply #7 on: 2009 February 04 10:39:39 »
Juan,

I support your point of view 100%.

Your on the right track.

Max

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« Reply #8 on: 2009 February 04 12:12:09 »
Thankyou all for your comments , My original post was a wish for the future ,no hurry intended ,im very happy with this software ,ITS THE BEST AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED,and i appreciate all the hard work that goes into it .

ALEX WILSON

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« Reply #9 on: 2009 February 05 00:58:04 »
Hi
I support too, your point Juan.
As this topic will come back soon, why not put your point in a place where everyone can read it easily.

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« Reply #10 on: 2009 February 05 01:03:31 »
I like the idea of the wiki Max pointed out. What do you all think about it? The biggest drawback I see is the language. Neither a single, multi-lang wiki nor several separate wikis seem like good approaches to me.
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« Reply #11 on: 2009 February 05 01:16:17 »
Hi,
I am evaluating PixInsight since a few days, after learning and playing with PixInsight LE. I woudld say also that the documentation in whatever form is very much needed, although what exists is of high quality.
I wrote down my difficulties as a beginner, but I want to play more before deciding if they could be solved by better documentation or if they are just part of the learning curve.

A combination of media (reference, video, ...) is fine for me.
I would mostly appreciate a printable ref card for the keyboad short cuts (by OS), so that I could have it next to the computer (somewhat cheaper than a second screen).

Now, unless Alex the Mac Voice is a duck, may I sugges slightly increasing  the quality of the voice channel? On the poor loudspeaker of a portable computer and with less than perfect hearing, he is at time difficult to understand (even if does a very good job and speak clearly).

Thank,
bitli