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Offline TheMadOne

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #15 on: 2013 July 31 13:35:56 »
I have had a similar problem with a CLS filter that has a strong blue cast.
In my opinion the problem lies in the G and B channels that are highly underexposed.
When you apply the flat it boosts these channels dimming the red one.
I solved taking three different flats for each color channel and than putting together with pixelmath.
Now I'm not at home, this evening I will post the pixelmath expression to merge channels in a bayered image

Hello,

I have used both the Astronomik CLS-LPR and the IDAS-LPS light pollution reductions filters for a few years now.  You are totally correct on the blue overcast the CLS-LPR causes during the processing of the image, The IDAS-LPS also casts a strong overcast on the stacked/integrated images as well, but it is a red/orange overcast.  This is where things are handle a bit different by me, I don't do any altercation of the flats preprocessing, I have always found in other applications used to preprocess and stack using a color calibration routine after integration always worked best to bring the colors back to true.  In using PixInsight this is also accomplishable with even better results for me by using a couple of different methods.  First step in both ways is the same, STF linked color channel stretching.... Yikes!!!  Look at that overcast!  Then I use the Dynamic Crop to trim up any registration overlaps, then on to the removal of background LP gradients, which is where the color correction begins.

I take 3 - 4 preview clips from more neutral areas of the image and aggregate them, then use the aggregation as the sampling reference image in the Background Neutralization; execute the operation.  After performing the BG neutralization I use the Color Calibration process to calibrate the colors.  If necessary I will move on to the Dynamic Background Extraction process to neutralize the background light pollution gradient as needed, or the Automatic Background Extrication process... either works, but I feel I have more control with the DBE.  This routine works, but I have found you can pretty much bypass the BG Neutralization if I set the DBE Process up well, hence the "other way" I use.  After DBE if necessary I do a Color Calibration, but the whole process is usually handled with the well setup DBE then on to the rest of my processing routines.

Just thought I'd pass it along to you sorry to kind of hijack things, but thought might be useful to someone!

I've attached an example set of M24:

 

Clear Skies!

Mark Jordan
Greenfield, IN

www.thestardeckobservatory.com
 

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #16 on: 2013 July 31 21:55:39 »
well, the thing about the flats is not that you're trying to undo color casts with them, but just to make sure that the signal in the flat is strong (~1/2 well depth) in all 3 channels. with a CLS filter and the strong blue cast, your red channel can sometimes be underexposed, leading to injection of extra noise into the R channel.

most (all?) calibration programs treat the 3 planes of an OSC image separately when flattening the image anyway, so in theory there's no way to fix a color cast with a flat.

rob

Offline Alfredo Beltran

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #17 on: 2013 November 29 07:48:25 »

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Photo info:

This is actually only the 4th image I have taken with a telescope and the 2nd Ha image I have ever taken. It was taken on 26th July 2013 from light polluted Manchester (UK) with a bright Moon and thin cloud. The scope is a Takahashi FSQ-106 ED, Guided with an 80mm guidescope with Lodestar camera. The image was recorded using a Canon 500D DSLR with full spectrum mod and I used an Astrodon 5nm Ha filter. There are 19 x 600 second subs, captured & guided with Maxim DL5. The mount is a Skywatcher EZ-EQ6 GT, controlled using EQMOD.

The subs were also dithered by up to 7 pixels in Maxim DL.

I will be posting the image in the Gallery section as well.

Thank you,

Mike

PS: The full size image is here: http://www.mikeoates.org/astro/ngc_7000_large.jpg
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Hi Mike

This is a very good result. Congratulations!

At first glance could be thought that a 5nm Ha filter would be too restrictive for the DSLR; However the final result shows the capability of the DSLR.

Could you please post a single unprocessed RAW frame?

Best regards

Alfredo
iOptron CEM60
Celestron 925 EdgeHD Hyperstar
MicroTouch Focuser
ZWO ASI071 MC Pro
Bogota, Colombia
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfredo_beltran/

Offline MikeOates

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #18 on: 2013 November 30 12:25:19 »

Hi Mike

This is a very good result. Congratulations!

At first glance could be thought that a 5nm Ha filter would be too restrictive for the DSLR; However the final result shows the capability of the DSLR.

Could you please post a single unprocessed RAW frame?

Best regards

Alfredo

Thank you very much Alfredo.

I have three files for you, the original raw cr2 file, the extracted red channel and the same red channel after calibration & pre-processing. I hope these help.

ngc7000_1600iso_600s_01.cr2
http://endor.uv.es/files/data/public/a7688f.php

debayer_ngc7000_1600iso_600s_01_red.fit
http://endor.uv.es/files/data/public/737e3c.php

debayer_ngc7000_1600iso_600s_01_red_cc_c.fit
http://endor.uv.es/files/data/public/b8c88f.php

Mike

Offline Alfredo Beltran

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #19 on: 2013 December 01 16:34:22 »
Hi Mike

Thank you very much for sharing this individual files. It's amazing how the DSLR captures the Ha signal in just 10 minutes exposures per frame. There is a lot in the single calibrated file.

The processing flow you propose certainly works! I hope to make some narrow band imaging with the T1i (500d) once is modified this december.

What size of the astrodon Ha filter did you use with the DSLR? Did you use a filter Wheel?

Best regards,

Alfredo
iOptron CEM60
Celestron 925 EdgeHD Hyperstar
MicroTouch Focuser
ZWO ASI071 MC Pro
Bogota, Colombia
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfredo_beltran/

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #20 on: 2013 December 02 02:14:50 »
Alfredo,

Glad the images help.

I went for 50mm dia filters because at the time I was not sure what size sensor I would end up with, possibly using a full frame DSLR a Canon 5DmkII. As it happens I got a SX-814 Trius CCD camera which is smaller than the Canon 500D DSLR sensor.! At least I have kept my options open for the future. I have a SX filterwheel, (5 filter).

Mike

Offline mgarsal

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Re: Problem pre-processing Ha images taken with DSLR
« Reply #21 on: 2015 April 13 23:12:44 »
Came across the flow published by Mike, very relevant for OSC CCDs as well.