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Help with GREYCstoration
« on: 2010 January 16 23:19:58 »
To all,

I'm trying to learn how to use GREYCstoration to the best of its ability.  I'm working on several landscape images that were taken with a Canon 5D2 DSLR using an ISO range between 1000-3200.  I'm not sure which parameters to manipulate.  Which are most critical?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #1 on: 2010 January 17 07:36:25 »
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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #2 on: 2010 January 17 12:47:44 »
Philip,

Thanks for the link.  Unfortunately, I have already visited that particular site.  Although it does offer some help, PixInsight has added several new parameters.  I have no idea how these parameters act upon the image nor do I know how they affect the other parameters.  I'm hoping some day, Juan will have enough time to do a tutorial about GREYCstoration using general landscape images.

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #3 on: 2010 January 17 13:10:48 »
To all,

I found a better site that describes the other parameters.  Here's the link:

http://www.fmwconcepts.com/misc_tests/GREYCstoration/index.html

After a little experimenting, I'm finally get some good results.  However, the default value for Anisotropy is too low on this particular website.  It seems 0.30 is much better at least for my first terrestrial image.  I'm not sure if the values Juan has chosen are better suited for astronomical images or just a good general starting place. 

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #4 on: 2010 January 17 15:54:57 »
The defaults are way off.

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #5 on: 2010 January 18 01:47:37 »
Hi Wade,

The default parameter values in PixInsight's GREYCstoration implementation were suggested by David Tschumperlé, the author of the GREYCstoration algorithm. David kindly (and patiently!) assisted me during my development of the PixInsight module.

Be careful with anisotropy when applying GREYCstoration to astronomical images. In general, you want to preserve isotropy, especially on deep-sky images.

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PixInsight has added several new parameters

I implemented all the parameters available to control the GREYCstoration algorithm. There are a few ones, however, that are of little practical use. For example, Fast Approximation should be left at its default state (selected). In general, Interpolation does an excellent work with its default "nearest neighbor" value, but you may try with "bilinear" or "2nd order Runge Kutta" which may provide slightly more accurate results sometimes.

The only parameter that is PixInsight's exclusive is Coupled channels. This option must be enabled for normal GREYCstoration operation on color images. If you disable it, then each color channel will be processed as an independent grayscale image. Note that this is opposite to GREYCstoration's working philosophy, in which the whole color image is treated as a unique structure. However, processing each channel independently may be useful sometimes for deep-sky images.

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I'm hoping some day, Juan will have enough time to do a tutorial about GREYCstoration using general landscape images.

I am probably more lost than you as for GREYCstoration parameters. I think the most critical parameters are Noise scale, Sharpness and Amplitude. These are the parameters I normally use. I must recognize that I have little direct experience with this tool.

So I look forward to whatever you can find and learn! ;)
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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #6 on: 2010 January 18 03:59:56 »
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I am probably more lost than you as for GREYCstoration parameters

I like to see that, Juan  ;)

You have created a great implementation of a tool that even YOU don't really understand - and now you hope that WE will explain how it actually works  ;D

Like I have always said, PixInsight really is right at the 'cutting edge' of technology - sometimes we are even far enough ahead of 'the blade' that we risk being slashed by it as it catches up with us - so NOBODY can say that PI is 'stagnant'  :cheesy:

Like others, Alex and I have just 'tweaked and twiddled' sliders until something reasonably pleasant has occurred - but with no knowledge whatsoever about what we were doing, or why the image has changed in some particular way.

However, the various links - and Juan's response - shown below will at least help create a 'starting point' for someone to follow up.

Volunteers, anyone?

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #7 on: 2010 January 29 09:03:11 »
I have a generalized WAG approach.  I find that the sharpness almost always needs to be reduced from the default.   Sometimes to 50 and sometimes much more.  I also lower the Amplitude and Noise scale considerably., starting in the 10-20 range.  I obviously use Previews to save time.  I first use a preview that is zoomed in several hundred to  fine turn the noise reduction at a pixelated view.  Once I have found the break point (not overly applied) using mostly Noise scale and Amplitude, i then apply to either the image or another preview zoomed out to be sure I have a good reduction of noise and nice smooth image, but not losing any resolution.  Playing with sharpness at this point is something I will do.

So there is my wild ass guess method, which works for me<G>

I agree with Max that the defaults are too high.  I would pick a Sharpness of no more than 50 and Amplitude and Noise scale closer to 15 to 20???  Max and others may also have suggested defaults.
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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #8 on: 2010 January 29 09:48:35 »
Thanks Jack, that is very useful.
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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #9 on: 2010 January 29 13:46:58 »
You are welcome.  I have the defaults reset on my Grey C icon in my Basic Processing Icon set- see "Basic Processing Icons" in Tips and Tricks
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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #10 on: 2010 February 02 05:39:43 »
As a followup I used GreyC on NGC 300 I am working on and the settings I used were a Sharpness of 50 and both Amplitude and Noise scale were adequate at 0.08 by applying first to a zoomed in Preview.  This did not seem to affect resolution so this is what I used.  Perhaps I could have even gotten a bit lower with the Amplitude and Noise Scale, but this worked quickly.
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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #11 on: 2013 April 18 06:59:20 »
Hi gents,
             Is this pronounced grey cee storation, or is the C silent, like greystoration? Thanks! I think it's fabuolus however you say it!:>)
Best always, Warren

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
« Reply #12 on: 2013 April 20 05:59:25 »
Hi Warren, I pronounce greyc storation, but greyc in spanish and storation in english, it is easier!
Saludos, Alejandro.

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Re: Help with GREYCstoration
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