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PixInsight => General => Off-topic => Topic started by: Warhen on 2010 June 10 07:27:21
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Hello everyone,
Nice to see you all here. A few questions and comments from a newbie user who had some experience w/ the LE version.
-Is there a way to save a workspace? I see there are multiple workspaces available. How though, can one have PI open w/ the same process panels in position as when it was closed?
- Along these lines, how can one preserve specific setting within a panel, IOW- same parameters saved as defaults?
Congrats to the Pteam, the Core UI is very beautiful. I am thus far most impressed w/ HDRWT, especially with highly-sampled data.
Best, Warren Keller
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Hi Warren
1) Not yet. This feature will be included as a "Project". One should be able to save the whole workspace status, including opened images, processing histories, icons, etc. It is in the to do list for the "near" future.
2) Process windows may be loaded with specific settings throught the icons system. Use the drag & drop object (blue triangle at the bottom left) to create a icon on the workspace. If you double click it, the process window will be opened with the encapsuled parameters.
There is no way to change he default settings, as they are defined in the source code of each process. But, you may create a collection of your favourite process icons, and launch them with those icons.
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Welcome Warren, glad you're giving PI a try.
Steve
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Hi Mr keller
Are you sure you are on the right forum , no photoshop here :P ;) :surprised:
A nice tip was found by mr Bud quote
Hi guys, I think I have this "workplace" thing figured out.
I took all of the processes that I like to use.....then
"Saved Process Icons"....and saved this file
I then went to that file and set the "open with" to the PixInsight Core icon.
Now when I double click the saved process Icon it opens PixInsight with my saved process icons.
With a shortcut to this on the desktop I can now start it with no difficulty to my preferred workspace.
I should be able to do this with a few different workspaces......
best regards,
bud
PS...I went and found the Icon for PI and changed it so it even looks official.
I use Pi like this and will be even better when the save all option comes in
By the way no criticism of PI video tutorials is allowed here :D :angel:
Harry
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Hi Warren,
Welcome to PixInsight Forum.
-Is there a way to save a workspace?
Project functionality is being implemented right now. A first version will be released somewhere during the current 1.6 cycle. A PixInsight project will store the exact state of the whole PixInsight platform: from images with their processing histories, to the states of all process interfaces, to configuration settings, icons, workspaces, etc. This is a rather complex task but we already have given important steps to accomplish it.
how can one preserve specific setting within a panel
As you probably have already read somewhere, PixInsight is an object-oriented platform. Among other things, this means that processes are independent objects, not tied to any particular image or graphical interface. A process interface (panel) is merely one of the many tools available to specify the parameters of a process, but the interface must not be confused with the process itself.
A process is similar to a pattern in PixInsight: it describes all the parameters and the behavior of a specific task, in formal terms. For example, the UnsharpMask process defines the filter size, filtering amount, deringing thresholds and other parameters necessary to perform the unsharp mask filtering task. Then you can create any number of process instances, all of them pertaining to the UnsharpMask process, but each of them with its own parameters. Each process instance is a living object that you can create, destroy, store, retrieve, execute, reuse in a different project, etc.
There are several ways to create process instances. The easiest way is by encapsulating them into icons. A process icon is a small graphical element that lives on a workspace. You can create any number of icons and save them as a special file in XML format (.xpsm files). Then you can load a xpsm file from your hard disk and start playing with the icons and the instances they transport.
In a nutshell:
- Drag one of the blue triangular buttons (bottom left corner, most process interfaces) to the workspace to create an icon.
- Double-click a process icon to open its associated interface and load it with the corresponding parameters.
- Right-click on the workspace and select the different options available under the Process Icons submenu. The same options are available from the Process > Process Icons main menu item.
- You can create libraries of icons that you can reuse in your imaging projects. Many PixInsight users are already doing this. The procedure that has been described by Bud is an example (see Harry's post).
- Watch Harry's videos, if you haven't already done it!
Congrats to the Pteam, the Core UI is very beautiful.
Thanks! Wait to see what I have prepared for the GUI in the short term ;)
I am thus far most impressed w/ HDRWT
HDRWT is indeed one of our most advanced implementations. The HDRWT algorithm has been created by Vicent Peris, one of the souls of PixInsight. We have much more nice and cool things; you'll be discovering them as you continue using PixInsight.
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Don't Harry bother you Warren.
Welcome to PI. I am sure you will find it is a great tool.
Max
I rarely work with the evil Adobe empire now that the PI force is with me ;)
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Even Apple started to see the evil ;)
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Hi Carlos, Juan, Harry, Steve, Bud- thanks much! Hey Harry, thanks for your tuts also. I'll likely remain a largely PS guy, but there are some very intriguing things here also. I'll stay tuned. Hey Juan, nice to see you face finally!
Best, Warren
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Hi
careful warren you might get the PI bug >:D
Anyway I look forward to your insight into the matter
Harry
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Hi Warren,
As everyone else has said, "Welcome to the Dark Side".
Although, as I have often said, 'you' are exactly what we need here in the land of PI. We really do need the PhotoShop 'experts'. We need to know the tasks that you do in PS, somethimes so 'casually', sometimes as a result of many hours of effort.
We then need to see how these tasks can be mirrored in PI - and we need to see if, sometimes, the 'mirror' just is not needed, because someone finds a BETTER way of doing the same task using the growing PI toolbox.
Just, please, don't post too many stunning images - I get upset and jealous very easily :'(
Cheers,
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Carlos,
Even Apple started to see the evil
I thought Apple 'was' the >:D (although, from what I heard about Mr. Jobs at a recent iPhone4 press-release, things didn't seem to work that well on that occasion - as a disgruntled iPhone user myself, I would have liked to have sniggered in THAT audience whilst Jobs 'squirmed' ;D)
Cheers,
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FWIW Niall, in our 'everything is relative world', I also get 'upset and jealous' at the level some other imagers achieve! :<( But, hey- if the bar didn't get raised, none of would grow, right? :>) At any rate, thank you very much for those kind words. I'm actually wired toward the artful side, and lacking in much technical depth, though I do well digesting some tough concepts and teaching them in an easy to follow fashion. I would certainly like to give the group any help I was able to provide. When I get a few moments, I'll talk a bit about what I look for in software and how I approach things. Thanks for your interest!
Best, Warren
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Warren
I am listening
Harry
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That's a good idea.
Max
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Hi Warren,
nice to see you here. I'm glad you also want a project feature. I've been bugging Juan about this for a long long time :)
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Sander,
Looking forward to your PI presentation at MWAIC. Hoping I can catch you- teach me! I'd like to show HDRWT to the gang at RAIW/PATS when I do a workshop in September.
Best, Warren
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Hello guys, Happy Father's Day. I'm off (at 3AM!) to my NMSS observatory, then Alcon in Tucson.
A couple questions pressing on my mind though. It seems to me that the default settings of the process dialogs were very well thought out. IOW, great starting points, as opposed to '0/Zero'. Would Juan and others agree? As a fledgling, I've tried several routines at defaults w/ excellent results. HDRWT, DDP and RR-L Decon come to mind. Obviously the dialogs are very powerful because of their flexibility, but it's nice to be able to get results right out of the pocket. This gives the user confidence to push ahead.
Thanks for your thoughts Juan, et al.
Best, Warren Keller
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As a generalization -True. Some tools do need adjustment as does one of my favorite Grey C (noise reduction). Here is from another thread:
I have a generalized WAG approach. I find that the sharpness almost always needs to be reduced from the default. Sometimes to 50 and sometimes much more. I also lower the Amplitude and Noise scale considerably., starting in the 10-20 range. I obviously use Previews to save time. I first use a preview that is zoomed in several hundred to fine turn the noise reduction at a pixelated view. Once I have found the break point (not overly applied) using mostly Noise scale and Amplitude, i then apply to either the image or another preview zoomed out to be sure I have a good reduction of noise and nice smooth image, but not losing any resolution. Playing with sharpness at this point is something I will do.
So there is my wild ass guess method, which works for me<G>
I agree with Max that the defaults are too high. I would pick a Sharpness of no more than 50 and Amplitude and Noise scale closer to 15 to 20??? Max and others may also have suggested defaults.
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Thanks Jack! Well, if your's and Steve's Thor is a result of your wild a** guesses, I'm following your lead! I failed to state that of my two test images, one is Jim Misti's M101 L as shown in the HDRWT tut. Certainly, that highly-sampled, great shot responds very well to defaults in most dialogs. I forgot to metion the Star Mask which works equally as well as the others I mentioned last time. I think this is very smart programming indeed. With a platform as powerful as PI, it's great to have valid starting points rather than let fools like me have at it w/ no constraints! Looking forward to other thoughts guys, and thanks.
Best, Warren