PixInsight Forum (historical)
PixInsight => General => Off-topic => Topic started by: Juan Conejero on 2009 July 21 03:41:35
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This is a list of active PixInsight Standard users as of 2009/07/21T10:36 UTC, including both commercial and 30-day trial licenses:
ES 163
US 136
IT 32
GB 27
DE 24
RU 19
FR 19
CA 16
JP 14
AU 11
PL 10
AR 7
NL 7
CL 7
MX 5
AT 5
SE 4
KR 3
UA 3
CZ 3
NO 3
QA 2
GR 2
BE 2
CH 2
DK 2
PE 1
IL 1
CN 1
PA 1
MY 1
CO 1
GI 1
CR 1
RO 1
EE 1
KZ 1
AO 1
HK 1
BR 1
PT 1
Total: 543
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Esto es una lista de usuarios activos de PixInsight Standard en 2009/07/21T10:36 UTC, incluyendo tanto licencias comerciales como licencias de pruebas de 30 días:
ES 163
US 136
IT 32
GB 27
DE 24
RU 19
FR 19
CA 16
JP 14
AU 11
PL 10
AR 7
NL 7
CL 7
MX 5
AT 5
SE 4
KR 3
UA 3
CZ 3
NO 3
QA 2
GR 2
BE 2
CH 2
DK 2
PE 1
IL 1
CN 1
PA 1
MY 1
CO 1
GI 1
CR 1
RO 1
EE 1
KZ 1
AO 1
HK 1
BR 1
PT 1
Total: 543
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Would be interesting to know (more or less) how many astrophotographers have each country. ;)
Sergio
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I am very surprised to see that the world best processing software is so little used.
In France (my country) for example, 19 licences !!! It is very low compare to the number of astronomers. That's right there is free software like IRIS but PI is really an innovative way to process astronomical images. So much amazing functions (other software have only a basic DDP function). A team who write improvments and new version in few month (or week) and who offer one of the best technical support on every bug reported and question
There is also more expensive sofware which don't give the tenth of what PI offers
I am very surprising people spend thousands of dollars/euros in optics and mount and cannot see how 200€ for PI can make images really better :'(
I will try to make, later this year, in my astronomer association a real presentation of PI features. They already see me processing my images with PI but they didn't understand the meaning of all the functions and why I used them. But they loved the result image.
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11 users in Australia! :D
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Hi Philippe,
Thank you very much for your nice words. I don't know if PixInsight is as good as you say, but you can be sure I do all I can do to make it better. This is my personal project and I am betting everything on it.
What you are describing is a consequence of resistance to changes. This is one of the main obstacles to innovation and development, and exists in the astrophotographical community just as in the rest of our societies. There's nothing original or new in this fact; it is a well-known sign of our times.
One of the important things I've learned during some years in this "business", is that patience is essential to develop a project like PixInsight. I could tell you many histories of disparage and lack of respect, especially in some instances and by some people that one would never expect to behave that way. Of course, I won't tell them, mainly because I always prefer to look ahead.
In its current stage, PixInsight is much more than I ever could have imagined. I enjoy as a child working on it (although it is extremely hard sometimes), and this is just the beginning. Not even that; I feel we haven't yet started :) I have a lot of exciting plans for the future; dozens of new tools and improvements, including some really advanced developments.
So I am optimistic. We have 251 commercial PixInsight users as of today (the list above includes the users that receive new version notifications, which includes trial licenses for the last four months). Not many, but not a bad number at all, considering that we published the first commercial version in January 2008, and that we have very limited resources. And much more important than that is the fact that all PixInsight users are really nice people. I am a lucky guy for having all of you in this project.
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Hi Philippe.....you make a good point....I was surprised at how few users of the software there are.
One way to look at this is in a very selfish way.....the more users there are, then the more facilities Juan will have, and the more people who can write new code for it.....so the better it will be. I also think its the best thing out there, I really like the community spirit, and the fact that anyone can (and does) contribute new features, etc. It's more like being involved with a developing project than just buying a piece of software.
So I am keen to promote it where ever and when ever I can. I gave a talk to my astronomy society last year and put together a big presentation (with lots of material from Juan). It would be good if there was a standard presentation, or a few of them, that we could all share so that we could spread the word. For that reason, I've put a link into my presentation below. Everyone is welcome to download it and improve it....it's well out of date now so there are lots of new features to be put in. I've left it in powerpoint format so that you can completely re-format it easily (assuming you have PowerPoint) or just copy out bits that you want. Feel free to completely rip it apart. It's 13.5MB, so it will take a few minutes to download.
http://cid-7754931c69f7958d.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/PI%20Presentation (http://cid-7754931c69f7958d.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/PI%20Presentation)
Cheers
Simon
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Hi Simon
Thanks for your PPT, it is a good way to work with.
Hi Juan
Yes you can be optimistic ;)
PI will become better & better and will be more successfull in 1 or 2 year, for sure.
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Hi Juan
Caught me out there I thought there would be more users ???
I will have to try harder to get people on board, We don't want you to starve ;D
Please keep up your hard work as the few do appreciate it :angel:
regards Harry
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I will have to try harder to get people on board, We don't want you to starve
We could all send food parcels to Juan to keep his energy levels up. I live in Scotland, so naturally I would send some high energy deep fried Mars bars. :D
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I think red wine would keep him going
Harry
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Question for Juan....
How did you get 163 users in Spain?
They can't all be your family. :D As a percentage of population it is way above any other country. What was done in Spain that is different to everywhere else? Is there something that can be done to replicate this in other countries?
Just a thought.
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Since this thread is raising some interest, here is a list with commercial PixInsight licenses per countries as of 2009 July 27.
ES 82
US 77
DE 14
IT 14
GB 10
FR 9
CA 7
AU 4
JP 4
NL 4
AT 3
MX 3
BE 2
CH 2
CZ 2
NO 2
PL 2
RU 2
AR 1
CN 1
DK 1
GI 1
KZ 1
PT 1
QA 1
RO 1
SE 1
UA 1
Total: 253
Now you can't say we aren't transparent :)
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Hi Simon,
How did you get 163 users in Spain?
There are 82 commercial PI users in Spain, as you can see in the list I've just published, which is still the most numerous group. I am relatively known here, and there was some expectation when we published the first commercial version in January 2008. Most Spanish users bought their licenses during the first months of 2008. Since then, the number of PI licenses in Spain has decreased to the point that they are now rare. Since a few months, new US licenses are the most frequent, and at the current rate, they will soon surpass Spanish licenses.
So there's no secret, as you see —just a combination of geographical and social facts, along with some peculiarities of Spanish temperament ;D
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Hi
Just 10 uk users I feel so ashamed :'(
Harry
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It is nice to be part of a very 'exclusive' club though, isn't it. O:)
Even though there is a 'hotspot' of concentrated usage up here in Aberdeen, where two of the three confirmed Scottish users are based ::)
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Two users within 20m....now that is concentrated! :surprised:
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Two users within TWO metres, not twenty. If our dewshields were any longer we would get in each other's way ::)
And, yes, because we ARE Scottish, it did cross our minds to 'share' a commercial licence - but Juan deserved better than that O:) (remember, copper wire was invented by two Aberdonians fighting over a penny :cheesy: )
Cheers,
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:D :D :D
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how many Austrailian users are there now Juan?
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Hi h0ughy,
how many Austrailian users are there now Juan?
I've answered you privately.
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thanks JUAN
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Dear PI-Team,
just for interest, as PI did evolve during the last 4 years ....
Can you update the installation list over countries ?
Are there any plans to translate the help system into other languages than English ?
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I highly doubt that there will be a translation in the short-medium term. At least, not in the 1.x cycle. Of course, this will depend on Juan's priorities...
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I too was quite surprised that there are not more commercial users of PI. Maybe we need a more organized attempt to spread the word, perhaps on a country by country basis.
I see that there are some of you making presentations to various astronomy clubs and institutions. A means of sharing these with interested users might help. Maybe a common registry of available presentations.
All I can say, Juan, is that you have a very good thing going with PI, so be sure to let us know how we can be your "distributed sales team!" (And stay healthy, please!)
Dave Ayers
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Hi
I know how many users there are today(I will leave it to juan to say exactly if he feels he wants to) and it is in the thousands so things have moved on a lot
but there is still room for many more licences to be sold and keep Juan in wine for a few years to come :D
Regards
Harry
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Dear PI-Community,
indeed - the main reason for asking about the number of commercial licenses was the idea of creating a native speaking
PI help community. In our astronomy club many members were fascinated about the potential of PI, but they are not all
capable of speaking english. Therefore it would be a good idea to enforce some country-by-country based activities.
I am currently more interested in a "rounded" number of licenses of german speaking countries (i.e. Germany,
Austria and Switzerland) - and not in any business secrets ;)
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Hi
Some friends of mine are really impressed by the results of PI; but as they can't read or speak english, they use other programs. I think, an important part of learning PI are all the tutorials you can find amongst others on the forum - and most of them are also in english. So, beside the program itself, there should also be some good tutorials in different languages. Gerald did already an excellent work, but is Harry be willing in taking some language courses ;) ?
Raymond
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Maybe it is time now to create language specific sub-forums. This is what also happens in other forums once their is a critical mass of users. But the decision on this is up to Juan.
I dont like the idea of tranlating PI, documentation and tutorials into other languages. Maybe once the product is reasonably well documented in english, i.e. really soon now ;)
Georg
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Hi all you Pixinsight Pixies out there,
i am really astonished about the fact that there are so few commercial users worldwide.
Maybe one of the reasons is that there are so many PS users. These people do get very
good results with their workflow and man is too lazy to take the steep road for another
way. I was never comfortable with PS and so my decision to move to PI was easy.
I like the software concept and the object orientated approach and much more i like this community
here. So i am going to offer all of you a
VIRTUAL BEER
http://beeroverip.org/monty-python-holy-ail/
Down the hatch
Robert
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It is very easy to translate PI documentation:
Tool documentation not available -> La documentation de l'outil n'est pas disponible.
Voilà. 85% done.
Joke apart, in french there is a site http://pixinsight.fr/ (http://pixinsight.fr/) maintained by Philippe Bernhard and also good tutorial the site http://www.astro-images-processing.fr/ (http://www.astro-images-processing.fr/) (members only). PixInsight is sometime discussed in various forums.
May be there should be a sticky note to point on the most useful language specific information on PI.
-- bitli
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Can you update the installation list over countries ?
The last time I did that, it provoked a number of strong reactions and I had to read some unfair discouraging comments. So, no, I won't update that list publicly anymore.
Are there any plans to translate the help system into other languages than English ?
We have many exciting projects and tons of interesting things to do before even thinking on translations, neither of the application nor of its documentation. For example, one of those things is precisely writing more documentation. English is the natural language for an international R&D project such as PixInsight. It is the only language that allows us to reach the widest possible audience worldwide.
Maybe it is time now to create language specific sub-forums.
I strongly disagree with the concept of language-specific forum boards, or language-specific forums, applied to a software project such as PixInsight. What we need is just the opposite: Instead of scattering the information throughout isolated units (because in this context each language plays the role of a wall, IMO), concentrate it in a single unit accessible to the majority of users. For example, imagine that you start an extremely interesting conversation on a German-specific sub-forum. Should we have to translate every message on that thread to n languages and post the translations on n sub-forums as they are being made? Wouldn't it be easier and much more efficient to post everything in the only language that most users are able to read and understand?
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Hi Robert,
Well, things have improved quite a bit since 2009, the date of the original post in this thread. Now we have a few thousands of users after five years, which isn't bad at all and, frankly, far better than what I'd hoped when I started this.
So let me invite everybody for another virtual beer ...
http://beeroverip.org/delirium-tremens/
just to help you in case you find PixInsight's interface strange or something :)
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Cheers, Juan!
I'm active on Reddit.com's /r/astrophotography forum, along with our own pfile, and hundreds of astrophotographers come through there each year, looking to show images and get advice. Whenever they see what PixInsight is capable of, they get interested in trying it out, and I think many of them have joined the ranks of devoted PI users. Keep up the good work with advancing the program and we'll continue to promote how powerful and useful it is!
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Maybe it is time now to create language specific sub-forums.
I strongly disagree with the concept of language-specific forum boards, or language-specific forums, applied to a software project such as PixInsight. What we need is just the opposite: Instead of scattering the information throughout isolated units (because in this context each language plays the role of a wall, IMO), concentrate it in a single unit accessible to the majority of users. For example, imagine that you start an extremely interesting conversation on a German-specific sub-forum. Should we have to translate every message on that thread to n languages and post the translations on n sub-forums as they are being made? Wouldn't it be easier and much more efficient to post everything in the only language that most users are able to read and understand?
Well, there are always those that cannot communicate in English, or that feel not comfortable doing it. The current situation drives those users into forums that support their language, causing a partial split in the community.
Dont get me wrong: English should be the main language of the forum, it is the de-facto standard for this kind of software. I encourage everyone to stick to this language in this forum if possible. But there are still those that would prefer Spanish, German or Korean... and if you dont give them a home, they will build their private ones.
Just my 2 cents on this.
Georg
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So let me invite everybody for another virtual beer ...
http://beeroverip.org/delirium-tremens/
aaaaah, beer. it's not just for breakfast anymore!
rob